Kamufláže bojové techniky ČSLA, ČSA po roce 1945

Does anybody have any documents (photos, regulations, etc...) concerning the camouflage of CSLA and CSA armoured vehicles after 1945? I haven't found anything conclusive anywhere, except for the current AČR camouflages and CSLA winter camouflages. Otherwise all in green, at most with the fields indicated by the black line. But I have a few indications (b/w photo of T-55AM2, S-75 in the same looking camouflage of irregular fields of ASI green/brown, separated by the familiar black line) that there were others, much more interesting.

So this would have me too interested. To those lines - in Martin we had them on the T-55AM2 předmalované and they the field had enough water omývatelnýma colors. But that's all I know. Yeah I'm also the lines seen on the T-72? he tried to Podháji as funglovku made in ZTS. The Race Ťažkého Strojárstva sided with our casino..

the black lines have been around since 75 on almost all the technology (i need to vejtřaskách padkách). We used either green, brown, and ochre or just white with the original khaki (in the winter) it was about some glinka and after the arrival of the exercises are normally washed away with water. it used to be more special. Usually used only in khaki that has enough varied department by department..

With regard to the schemes of placement of "lines" - otherwise the interface between the various fields of the camouflage colors on the vehicle, was determined for each type of technology. If I'm not mistaken, it was about prescription sapper, then with the designation of Women-something-something... I did not put something misleading, the schematics have been determined (pětipohledovými or at least třípohledovými plans) for each type of equipment (personal/off-road vehicle, truck, tank, OT wheeled, tracked, etc.) From this it follows that, for example, the box PV3S should have according to the regulation, the same scheme like PV3S with a tarp or Zil with a trainer, has been mobilized valníková Liazka, ... and the same can be applied to the T-54, T-55, The T-72, etc., ...
Prescription moreover set the ratios of each color in terms of the surface area of the vehicle in % (and it follows from this that basically counted with the fact that individual vehicles will be kamuflována each otherwise) - in fact, at least theoretically, should come to the screening of colors in the fields at the different vehicles of the same type.
According to the regulation there was the schematics for the period "summer", "winter" and "spring-autumn", but I can not exclude that even this last was divided...
The course of lines will not change, just the color of the fill conformed to the annual period, and I have the impression that the "green fields" was in every "kvartálových" schemes immutable.
I doubt that the so-called "contours" were in the technique of painted already in production plants or during periodic repair techniques in them. Those "contours" are painted after the takeover and the allocation of vehicles by the department/unit.
Because cloaking technology was assumed at the moment of mobilization, as a rule, in the mobilization documentation to the unit commander was the schematics for the different types of techniques (for example, the commander of the ros it has been schemes for a BVP/BPzV/BRM-1K, OT-65, UAZ, PV-3S and even on a motorcycle. Color (their rigs for the summer and winter periods) were deposited in the NZ warehouse units one of the activities after the adoption of the "bookmarks" was the masking of vehicles. Because of the color of the powder (soluble in water), it was prohibited to use for their application, the spray gun from the UOS-3 for the decontamination ("powder" proved totally vydrátkovat nozzle) and natíralo seriously (from the kits with the colors), but even a broom or cloth. In addition to the resolution of colors on the summer and winter were also sets of "sharp" (allegedly changed radar and thermal reflectivity the vehicle - perhaps the ingredients or the size of the "grains" in color) and "training" that we disguise on the bigger exercises.
The "sharp" colors should have a limited lifetime, or application and then should be used as "training" - and it was a stumbling block - to wash off it from the machines just detergent and a brush was quite a problem, very well it is kept and so is removing the camouflage colors as a rule zakončovalo ... complete přebarvením vehicle! Then depend on how the color was in a barrel mixed and possibly diluted - bitaxe can confirm the many different results of the "colouring" technique in various departments from almost sand to olive gray, or the classic "khaki" to yellow-green with the transition to bottle green.
If not to dye, the residue of pigment remained on the surface in the structure of the armor, and the machine then looked drně "messed up".

If this is all you consider, try to into the blood quarrel with the sculptor-critic, which will say that this tank can only be this color and that anything else is bullshit.....

because som recently masked zloženie farieb I'm still in pamäti:

winter : biela , čierna
jar : biela , čierna , dark green , bledo green
leto: čierna , dark green , bledo green
jeseň : čierna , dark green , bledo green , the brown one.

Just for reassurance/clearance - there was too ochre and yellow?
I have the impression that in the set were more than four bags of colors....

At the time when I "served" with black used minimally (for our department anyway) and paint in the summer, there were only three rather sharply green, ochre and brown ever got to meet technique where was the brown replaced by black but it was at least. In the winter they kept instead of one original and the second beat white. Due to the fact that part of the vehicle had the strips painted did the crew spots according to your otherwise it to ensure a different layout was fairly simple just left it to the discretion of the driver (that was for the primer charge, and it was based on. Removal was enough of a problem so the car first painted diesel and then only for a few days disguised (holding that bad but it was a wash) on the tanks took the high pressure pump RED 25 it was pretty good (for véesky it took both color and prohýbalo metal sheet) In the middle 70's I guess I just started because the sooner it much neobjevovalo (this could also explain that we had different colors than later..

For us to have any nemaskovalo, or I at least met, because I served at the turn of the year 1988-1990 and it was no great exercise, and after the revolution, nobody knew whose it is. I experienced only one major mobilization as a disciple of SHUSH in Martin and we záložáky anywhere just is recruited in one village. What happened with them and their technique that I don't know. They were indeed confiscated and trucks and ground technique such as káenko atp..

Dear priatelia.
In rokoch 1974 - 1976, when som bol ako soldier PSO vodičonm OT 64 in WOO 1735 Klatovy, boli sme of the so-called "prvosledové units". Specifically, ja som bol in treťom prápore of that regiment. Ako colors we boli was stationed in the cost to the crew Lies in Domažlice. In the case of nasadenia we to 1 hour take combat pozície approx. 1 to 2 km from the štátnej the border.
I stand next to the crime skutočnostiam som during the whole two years mojej services seen that a technique was camouflaged, or even during the rôznych exercise and ies bolo had enough. We were in the SCF Hurka pri Iron Rude, at Doupov, plávať we went to the Elbe to the town of Mělník, etc. In the year 1975, we boli on exercise and BOS in Poľsku. I REPEAT! We never nekamuflovali technique!!! Not even Poliaci ju nemali kamuflovanú. Nemali we're even uh, predznačené čierne line. Still som sa stretával len with a clean KHAKI farbou, maximum pri prechodoch, or pri saving techniques nakonzervovanou zmesou diesel and oleja, given we striekali fixírkami, and the tires we natierali gumolakom.
So there really is mi ľúto, but the questions and opinions of many of You nemôžem's definitely confirm, even when nevyvraciam that in niektorých prípadoch don't mind me though right..

And vida, 11. motostřelecký from Klatovy "from the tank" - it was a good unit, with a rich tradition.
OFF TOPIC - in the barracks "in the tank" and in their surroundings was making a movie then What is it for a soldier...
And now to the point: what describes the CATTLE is quite a logical explanation why they at 3/11 msp didn't have cloaking technology ready - units or departments of the so-called overlapping of the state border just nedoplňovaly people, nor the material (or only minimally, because they were at full numbers), they did it even in the place of permanent deployment or in ZPS (backup focus), but "out of operation" of going/should go into the combat activities in the area of minimum remote from places of permanent deployment.
If I remember right, so at 20' leaving the last vehicle (even on the coupling pole) park and "the last burš should hand over the keys of the park to the first yank, because they were the norm about a minute harder"....

As a former member of the DEPOSIT 1113 Janovice nad Úhlavou in 1985, dovluji to join a couple of your notes. The DEPOSIT 1113 I served as the armorer-bomb disposal in výzbrojních workshops of the entire crew. In all the calls to the various exercises we rarely, but, nevertheless, the technique of mask the colors of the training set (sharp after the lapse of the expiration date to transmit to other departments on the disposal). My little thing, in the case of exit vehicle commander PAD of the FUSELAGE,-1, already at that time the affected modelařinou to camouflage vehicles ROTky, under which we organizationally they were, she showed the placement of the fields and their colors. in the winter we used: the underlying khaki-white, had if the driver of the vehicle a taste of some of the fields khaki replaced the black. The more work he had after a workout, when it had to wash off.
in the spring we once, at least what I remember used: khaki-light green, and again, should any driver a taste of some of the fields khaki replaced the brown. Summer camouflage I remember also only one-and our ROTka bore the colors: khaki-brown. No driver I didn't use the ochre, even when I was offering her. Yeah, and masking was conducted sometimes in the following manner two Véesky nacouvaly to both sides of the third (to create a silhouette of the aircraft) and then it was applied to the british scheme of "A" or "B" for single-engine aircraft. Předkreslovalo (initially I) one of the camouflage colors, the black lines never, at least in my tenure, on vehicles not.
This way of masking, of course on separate cars, was highly praised by the present "senior officers of the Warsaw treaty" and given a pattern, probably to the great joy of the other units, so we took him for his. In the case of masking really cared about the sapper prescription, therefore with the designation of Women-XY-Z, but třípohleďáky or other little drawings for us there weren't any, only set ratios of the individual colors in the % of the area of the surface of the vehicle. Therefore, the people's military creativity.
P.With. Our vehicles serve as the background for the major Soldána (for those who don't remember the editor the editors of the army and brannosti PART) in the story of the winter exercises before the last "SHIELD". Heroic knee-deep in snow standing mjr (about kneeling was barely 20 cm) pathetically described the exemplary performance of the delegated tasks and to see him on the edge of the forest stood our PADky in that moment, attached to headquarters drawn for the "my PAD-the FUSELAGE-1" and drowning therefore electricity somewhat further from the forest was stuck in a 6 m long antenna with a white ribbon (my driver Dušan Burdej slováčisko like a log, but a great guy that had a few and this was his last exercise) that was leased from the tankstů and mounted on our "Véesce". Why do I know this, if this time the video almost no one had? I lay in the PADce at foam, located on the workbench in front of him the tv "Šileris", which exactly fell into the brackets I don't know what kind of test apparatus. Dušan next to me, the electric heater warms me, on a hot plate also elektickém with the brewed tea and the youngest of the crew Radek Hobza fried French toast for the toast, not only for us and for themselves, but also for the visits (to the level of the regiment). You had to take off our shoes, because very carefully cleaned the floor and into the doorway of the closet nastlal chvojí.
This everything described above happened in 1985, because a military career I ended on "the SHIELD 85" after the injury caused by the imitation ammunition. For this exercise, I received a thank-you diploma poepsaný even by an army general M.Dzůrem "Still got it hidden". And in the rank of natm retired to civilian life for neztotožnění with the army at the end of 1985.
Dog.

So, most of You,dear colleagues, recalls how no contours, which might, perhaps, someone on the technique of painted in the army, haven't etc., etc...
Lowpass wanted to be right in the first post some pictures - a little something here (and I admit, I had to search in many places and a long, long time) - taken in the spring the remainder of the term 89, maybe 90 in the course of the receiver - employment on a theme "battle with tanks" (and because of the service tanks were not, and the neighbors had a nice napulírované in the park, so we had to "fight against its own BVP").
Partially visible is the tactical character of the unit - square (or its circuit) surrounding the outline of the parachute (drop upside down). Later we together with the technique of "inherited" the numbers and character from the rba from the town of janovice nad Úhlavou (crossed-out rectangle) - which corresponded to the tactical symbol of NATO (map brand) for pz units....
Just for the record - I was even really so slim, that I was not afraid, lie down under the bevko on flat ground... where you are....

So you can see it with my own eyes what I write here, except we had it in the year 1988-89 on the T-55 AM2 in WOO 5109 Martin.
this Shiner: very nice photos and I regret that at that time there were still color films so expensive, that the beauty had to take pictures on black and white film. I have a few pictures but I'm lazy is to scan and okolorovat..

now they are throwing water washable camouflage paints on BVP II. Foundation Green Khaki + Brown / Black


I'll try to get hold of


in ZTS when T-55s were sprayed straight with sand camouflage, when they were still going to Libya etc.

When I took over the car (BRDM2-rch) ,in one box in the cabin was a little the brochure and the schematics (see photo). How has the schemes far the current - I don't know...

Beteer.

When your browsing through the pages of the internet I stumbled upon : http://www.militaryvehicles.cz/index2.php

They are a site that is definitely worth seeing.
Especially in the section off-road vehicles, I think he would snort. There are many wonderful photos of our techniques from the fifties-sixties.... incl. several shots of vehicles in various winter camouflage.


I have yet to throw in his "little mill". I served in the years 86-88 in Senici n. Myjavou and Topolčanech. The technique was either green, or have black lines. When it's time, I'll throw in here a few pictures of high-tech OT 810, on which we (too) have served..

UAZ 31512 in washable camouflage. Photos are from autumn 2005.

Pokračování:

The attached photos are taken probably sometime just after the year 1989. Again, the contours for faster masking smytelnými colors...
Note
1. those nice "house slippers" on the braking/stability shields rockets.
2. that wheel discs are green, which does not correspond to the "soviet habit" to dye everything on the chassis (frame, tank, suspension, wheel drives, ...) with black paint - that these machines have gone through (I) revisions in repairing factory?.

Less palaver on a Burner and Thong:

You could bring those images to paste again into the appropriate forums in the section Weapons and equipment? One or two images and link on this topic.

Thanks.

I'm on it and in the same breath I ask, when can I add Svatavu and will me made available to other reconnaissance means??? .

I think you can go. Otherwise, sorry for the delay, the delivery period I have sometimes a little longer. .

Today I have ženijními colors painted and Land Rovers. These photos are from last week..

You know, when at home, open a box, from which You lift a lot of long forgotten "treasures"?
Before almost three years ago I wrote (among other things) this: Because cloaking technology was assumed at the moment of mobilization, as a rule, in the mobilization documentation to the unit commander was the schematics for the different types of techniques (for example, the commander of the ros it has been schemes for a BVP/BPzV/BRM-1K, OT-65, UAZ, PV-3S and even on a motorcycle. Color (their rigs for the summer and winter periods) were deposited in the NZ warehouse units one of the activities after the adoption of the "bookmarks" was the masking of vehicles. and I didn't realize that at the moment when "it has ceased to be so sharp" and the mobilization of the documentation to remodel into "underdrive"... I'm pretty without side intentions to save "something for the next generation"...
Well and I found it now - it's about the camouflage schemes on the BVP/BPzV Svatava/BRM-1K, which was (klovatinou, because those spots) glued in the workbook... When it made the "šmelcu" (skartu), it occurred to me shell them the diagrams - "if need be" - the text was written on the sheets registered in the workbook, therefore, had to disappear in the dustbin of history...
I had such a table - the spring/summer/autumn/winter and the color description, which when on which field should come up. Why there is missing a diagram on the rear of the vehicle I don't remember, I feel that we should follow the rule of "in the back kinda like the front"...
Yeah, and the individual parts are in this position together only now - otherwise, they are obstřihnuté and free....

Three-colour camouflage paint of a T-54 medium tank in the 1960s.

https://www.valka.cz/files/a-19-1.tif.jpg

here is one picture from the practice of the artillery, the guns were painted with ordinary lime and how you see yourself perform depend on obsluhách, the front gun is camouflaged including wheels, the rear without them
According to the statement the old-timers in need of (time crunch) are disguised so that one member of the operator rozmíchané lime splashed on the shield of the gun, the barrel, the shoulders of the simple gears ... and the other two it smeared pieces of cloth přivázanými on a stick vytěráku.

Trojfarebný masking nater OT-65..

Winter camouflage nater on nákladnom terénnom vehicle T 111

Source : Military equipment 1963 no. 4.

Two machines BVP 1 ACR,which in September 2001 participated in the exercise on the SCF Lešť, Slovakia "Blue Line 2001"..