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Zná někdo nějaké stránky nebo články o tomto elitním odstřelovači
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mno jestli myslíš toho z filmu Nepřítel před branami, tak toho si vymysleli, skutečný se jmenoval myslím Thorvalds nebo podobně
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no jestli umíš anglicky tak tady je celkem zajímavej odkaz jak to asi bylo:
http://www.snipercentral.com/konig.htm
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stačí zadat do google heslo "sniper" a vyhodí ti to mraky stránek, skoro na každý je nějakej seznam slavných snajperů a historky o nich
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Jeho jméno bylo Heinz Thorvald. Nepřítel před branami byl natočen podle knížky Válka Krys od Davida L. Robbinsa. Děj je docela podobný a je to i čtivý. Surprised
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O knize jsem neslyšel... ale dotaz: i tam podlehne onen německý sniper nakonec bezesmyslů jako idiot?
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Very Happy
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Zemřel docela hezky-díra v hlavě v takový díře, která byla přikrytá plechem (slza mi z toho ukápla-já mu tak fandil, jak ve filmu, tak i v knížce Crying or Very sad ). Zaitsev měl kliku-střílel naslepa a rána mu vyšla. Nedávno jsem podporučíka Vasilije Nikolajiveče Zaitseva viděl v jednom dokumentu o východní frontě. Je to takovej čipernej mongoloidní dědula Smile
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Jinak co jsem o Thorvaldovi slyšel, tak to byl borec první kategorie-proslavil se už při tažení v Polsku, kdy se svoji sniperbandou kosil hrdinné polské vojáky. Čest jeho památce, i když oblékal tu nesprávnou uniformu.
Greenhorn
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mongoloidní dědula? byl to fakt on? já ho viděl na fotce z války a vypadal spíš jako Nikita Chruščov, prostě takovej buclatej soudruh v beranici
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tohle je on
Major Konig - zaitsev

zaitsev
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A od kdy nebyl chruscov mongol ? Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy
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No jo, nevypadá zrovna moc šikmě Smile Tak nevim koho teda vyslýchali - byl to ruskej dokument Smile Každopádně to byl sibiřan ako sviň-v hlavě nic moc, ale s nagantem mu to šlo...
Greenhorn
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well, one version says he didn't shoot blindly, as they say, so he had a sniper with a helmet on a stick behind him, and when the German thought he'd hit him, he got up, and Zaitsev took him out Smile


Anyway, this whole story is classified as at least unconfirmed, because the SS Colonel Heinz Thorwald is not listed in the editorial records, and therefore it is quite possible that he did not exist at all. I wonder where you heard about him as a sniper in Poland ?


Anthony Beevor, the author of the books about Stalingrad and the Battle of Berlin, has also discussed the whole idea that it is a fiction, and it has recently been published in Beta Dobrovsky and is available in our country. Beevor's view is that this file is not recorded in any of the military diaries of the time and area, and is an act of Soviet propaganda rather than a heroic battle.


Finally, it is interesting that Zaitsev, one of the supposedly best snipers of the Second World War during the RA, has no pages where you can find out, for example, when he was born and when, if ever, he died. Because I live under the assumption that he is already dead, but I can't confirm it from any source, because I just can't find it anywhere !!! Interesting, don't you think?


btw, an interesting page with his photos from 1971 is at
http://www.notesofasniper.com/
where there are also some of his books for purchase ...
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no, tak jsem mel prece jen pravdu, zajcev zil v letech 1915 - 1991, takze uz je dvanact let mrtev Sad


kazdopadne, nasel jsem to na brazilske strance :


www.apaginavermelha.hpg.ig.com.br


ale kdyz se podivate na ty fotky a na ty obliceje (tech dobovych fotek, ne toho filmu Smile ), tak mi to teda jako ten zajcev, co je uveden na vyse uvedenych fotkach, teda rozhodne neprijde ...
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Tak jedine, co jsem jeste vygugloval je datum narozeni, 23.3.1915. Datum smrti a rok se nikde jinde nez na tech brazilskych strankach neobjevuje ... hmm, zajimave ...
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Skutečnost je jedna věc,... ale druhá scénář filmu.
Proč se tam nechá onen německý důstojník odstřelit jako idiot, nemluvě o tom, že předtím zabil onoho ruského chlapce?
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True, there are more versions, another based on the book The Rat War, where Zaitsev's comrade-in-arms sacrificed himself by sticking his head out. Who knows what it was...


Otherwise, where did we get Poland, again Thorvald's recollections from the above novel. I think it would work, because being an SS colonel and running a sniper school requires some practical experience (i.e., deployment in combat). So if he existed, he probably could have been deployed during the Blitzkrieg (39-40). It's just a hypothesis, but for example in history in schools they teach a lot of things that are only based on conjecture.


Anyway, you put a bug in my head Confused because I assumed that he and Zaitsev almost existed.


Anyway, I found this documentary where Zaitsev spoke in my video library at home. It's from the Russian War-Slalingrad series. He mentions how, with the help of his comrades, he took out "some" sniper who ran a school in Berlin. He doesn't give a name, but from what he said, there was this sniper. Whether his name was Thorvald, God knows.
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Asi bych se přiklonil a souhlasil s Beeverem, že to byl akt sovětské propagandy. Ona pro Rusko nejistá situace u Stalingradu si žádala přesně takové typy hrdiny, jakou byl Zajcev.
Nemám zatím tak široké obzory, a tak pokud někdo věc vidí jinak, nechť píše, rád se poučím.
S pozdravem Greenhorn
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Pánové,buďe v klidu,celé to "Enemy at the Gates" jest vycucáno z prstu,my později narozené ročníky si pamatujeme přiblbý rudý "comics" o "Vrabčákovi" ,vycházelo to v ABC,a "Vorobej" rozuměj Vrabčák tam svého Majora Koniga nakonec zastřelí kdesi v Čechách.. no comment..
A to se celé dá říct i o celém Zaicevovi..
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Zajcev se samozrejme bude drzet te sovetske propagandy, ktera z nej udelala temer boha, to je jasne, navic jeho existenci nikdo nepopira, na rozdil od toho nemce ... ale dukazy proste chybi, cela scena proste neni nikde zanesena, a ten SSak mozna ani neexistoval, takze mohl vest co chtel, kdyz nebyl v zaznamech SS, tak nebyl Very Happy


neobracel bych svou viru k Valce krys, protoze ta story, pokud je to zalozeno na historicke "pravde", tam bude vylicena podobne, jako primo v zajcevovych pametech, to ale nemusi znamenat, ze se to tak stalo, viz vse, co jsme jiz uvedli vyse. V teto zemi je opravdu mozne, aby se stalo to, co se nikdy nestalo, a naopak se tak nejak od-stalo to, co uz se stalo Very Happy
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Jo aha,takhle to teda je.Koniga si vymysleli a ve skutečnosti to byl ten co ste ho tady psali.Ale Zajcev existoval Smile
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Hrob V.Zajceva
Major Konig - Hrob V. Zajceva

Hrob V. Zajceva
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Zdravím všechny po móc dlouhé době Smile
No dost se toho probralo už i zde, myslím, že tohle téma je zbytečné...
Viz: https://www.valka.cz/viewtopic.php/t/10475


S pozdravem Siegfried
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Sice řeknete, že to sem nepatří, ale nešlo by přepisovat ruštinu českou transkripcí? Proč Zaitsev? A ne Zajcev? Když už tam máš ta křestní jména česky.
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