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Panther in bulharskej army
We know the me is nasadenie one Panthera in the framework of the obrneného battalion worry 1. army, who figured in the prehľade techniques zo 16.3.1945. Celkovo 15 pcs machines has acquired the Bulgarian army ako korisť from sovietskej army just before koncom war. To akej miery slúžili in radoch Bulgarian troops mi nieje know. The only zmienkou is používanie machines Panther in the combined školnej jednotke and within 1. obrnenej brigade in the second polovoci 1945.
The tower and probably also "complete" machines boli used ako still firing palposty. Internet source uvádza pravdepodobný incidence of 10-15 pcs takýchto palpostov in priesmyku Makaz bulgaria-gréckej the border. Source sa odvoláva on vojenskú dokumentáciu, v ktorej sa tieto bunkre spomínajú. Access to them is but sťažený. To the half 90. years there was the mine field and the movement in this area was dangerous.


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URL : https://www.valka.cz/Pz-Kpfw-V-Panther-ve-sluzbach-cizich-armad-t40205#153951Version : 0
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Panther in the Czechoslovak Army
Post-war assembly of captured tanks Panther was in Přelouč in 1.AZ (automobile armory), where at the end of 1947 transferred by the General of the first Panther for the needs of the tank school. Due to the complexity of repairs, it was decided to perform overhauls in other companies that had the capacity to do so.
A total of 73 Panther tanks of all modifications were located in the AZ 1 warehouses in Milovice as of 10/1947 (65 battle tanks with a turret are stated). A year later, their number is 74, of which 59 battle tanks with a tower are mentioned. At the beginning of 1949, the 40 most capable pieces were to be selected for the generals. At the meeting of the MNO on October 28, 1948, the decision was made to repair 40 battle tanks and 14 rescue tanks. The ČKD plant in Sokolovo, Prague-Libeň, took part in overhauls, and the Škoda Plzeň company, a branch in Dubnice nad Váhom, was to overhaul its equipment. On January 14, 1949, at a meeting of representatives of MNO, VTV and ČKD, the procedure for the implementation of repairs was taken over. The model vehicle was to be the Panther ev.č.67.387 included in the Tank School. For 1949, the intention was set to repair 30 battle tanks and 14 rescue tanks, the remaining 10 battle tanks were to be repaired the following year. The plans were disrupted by the lack of necessary components, which had to be found in scrap yards or steel mills. Therefore, the army decided that in 1950, only 32 battle tanks T-42/75 without turrets with armament and 12 (+1 ev.č.67.490) rescue tanks VT-42 would be repaired. In total, all 1950 VT-42 rescue tanks were taken over in 1950. Some were divided into combat units. In 1950, all 32 battle tanks T-42/75 were taken over, but they were stored without towers with weapons in a detached warehouse in Milovice belonging to the Z-25 tank repair plant in Šenov near Nový Jičín. It is interesting to note that in 1950, 40 complete and 20 incomplete towers were scrapped. The remaining wrecks, which were located at the assembly in Milovice, were extracted for spare parts. Due to the fact that the army was filled with heavy tanks only a few pieces of the IS-2 tank, it was decided that the stored T-42/75 tanks will be completed and fill the required numbers of unavailable heavy tanks (Panther was listed in the Czechoslovak categorization as a heavy tank). Another reason for the completion of these tanks was the delay in the start of licensed production of the medium tank T-34/85 and the release of production capacity. The completion of the tanks was expected in 1951, but the last vehicles were not completed until 1952. However, some of them did not pass acceptance tests and were stored in the storage bases of tank bases. The fact that they were not taken into account in any way was clear from the fact that they were not mentioned in the numbers of tank technology. There was no training on them, and despite considerable efforts to repair them, this effort came to nothing. All combat machines were stored in tank bases, where they concentrated, preserved and stored the so-called untouchable supplies. These were to be used to arm all-army units in the event of a war threat. As of April 1, 1952, 10 (17) pieces of Panthers were stored in the 1st tank base in Dědice near Vyškov. It is probable that the Panthers figured in the lists of stored vehicles in other such units (2nd tank base in Martin, Slovakia, or Žilina. Finally, all combat Panthers ended up in the state of the 1st Heavy Tank Self-Propelled Regiment in Strašice, where they were 8/1955 31 pieces were waiting to be abolished, and 15 machines were to be reconstructed into tank tractors in 1955. Most Panthers served as rescue tanks and tractors, and in 1958/59 there were still seven rescue tanks (equipped with winches and spurs) and 15 tank tractors (vehicles with towers but without armament).
They were definitively removed from the army in 1959. Several complete machines were used as props in the film Ivo Brigade by director Ivo Toman from 1955. The Tank Brigade, Bergepanther also appeared in the film Song of the Gray Pigeon.
Of interest was the offer to sell 32 Panther tanks to the Syrian delegation, which in 1955 negotiated the supply of special equipment from the Czechoslovak Republic. However, the Syrian side did not even consider this type, priority was given to tanks Pz.Kpfw. IV and offensive cannons StuG III.


According to the memories of the contributor's father on www.detektorweb.cz ( by Mirek Kamenický), the Panthers were stored and used in 1954/55 in a crew in Strašice ( 1st Heavy Tank Self - Propelled Regiment). The lord in question served in a training unit that trained the crews of the IS-2 and SD-152 ( ISU-152). In addition to these machines were in the armament of this unit also useful Pz.Kpfw.IV alias T-40/75. The source states a number of about 12 pieces (+/-). In 1955, they were gradually phased out. Some were used as training targets in shooting (in the premises of VVP Jince?). An interesting evaluation of driving characteristics, equipment and comfort for the crew is interesting (compared to IS-2/IS-3/SD-152). Later surviving machines probably ended up all in scrap metal.
According to the memoirs of Uncle Martin Málek, from whom one of the photographs comes, which dates back to about 1954, the locality Luštenice ( 3. school tank battalion?). According to the memories of the uncle of the owner of the photo, it was Bergepanther, who received the unit from the canceled brigade from Strašíce. From Lušteníc later the tanks traveled to the blast furnaces.
One torso Bergepanthera was preserved at the shooting range in Bzenec until 1988/89, then it was moved to Kbel, to be sold/exchanged abroad soon (André Becker, Belgium).


There is information about the civil overhaul of one Panther to a bulldozer, which was used in the civilian economy. It was a product of a civilian employee Vladimir Babunek and his part, which discovered the Panther chassis with a Soviet engine V-2 from a tank T-34 at the scrap yard in Sternberg. This Bergepanther with a Soviet engine was in the army's arsenal and was probably the most frequently photographed Bergepanther.
AFV Photo album 3 has a great series of photos showing this civilian bulldozer. This bulldozer subsequently helped with earthworks in the vicinity of Bílovec and Nový Jičín (leveling of slag, construction of roads and dikes). His work in this deployment dates back to 1965-1970. The vehicle served in the area of the pond in Sedlnice, where it helped to create it and where it was later left and gradually dismantled into scrap. Only the lower part of the hull with the chassis was preserved from the tank. A newly made cabin was mounted in the front, and an improvised sheet metal superstructure covering the engine-transmission space was created in the rear part. An improvised slewing crane is probably mounted behind the cab. A blade is attached to the front of the vehicle. The vehicle is captured in two forms. Probably the original modification carried a blade on a pair of support arms mounted on a torsion bar of the wheels approximately in the middle of the chassis. The wheels are removed from this rod. An additional castor is mounted on the left side of the chassis on the axle of the second castor. A support pulley is mounted above the torsion bar where the blade was mounted. Probably later, this pulley and the blade attachment were eliminated.


Continuation of the Panther tank anabasis in the role of rescue vehicles.
According to the article of Lt. Col. Petra Turzu, Apologia year 1994
In 10/1945, testing of the prey technique took place, where the rescue version Bergepanther was presented in the best light. Therefore, already in 11/1945, at the initiative of the technical council of the commander of the tank army MNO, a request arose to obtain such machines from repatriation requirements.In 9/1946 there were demonstration tests of the rescue Bergepanthera for the General Staff, which was repaired by the company ČKD[/i ]. Subsequently, it was decided to acquire 20 pieces of this rescue vehicle, for service in newly created tank and mechanized units. However, the possibility of obtaining usable vehicles was thwarted by their lack. A total of 16 Bergepanthers (Ausf.A/G version) were collected during 1947, when the collection of tank material from all over the country peaked. Of the 16 pieces, however, only 14 were repairable. After moving them from [i] 1. tank base from Milovíc to plants ČKD Sokolovo and Prague-Libeň, the adjustments to be made were discussed at the end of 1/1949. It was decided to install armor protectors periscopes driver and radio operator and had to remove the hull machine gun. The repaired machines were delivered to the tank units in the period from 5/1949 to 11/1949. Additionally, at the request of the army, three tanks Panther Ausf.A were modified into the form of rescue machines. They were delivered on 5/1950. In the summer of 1950, another 8 tanks were sent for the same modifications Panther Ausf.A, but due to the insufficient condition of battle tanks, this intention was rejected. At the time of the reorganization of the army in 1950/51, the machines were divided into individual tank and mechanized units (2 rescue Panthers served in 1st Tank Regiment in Strašice in the period between 1951 - 1955/56). They were intensively used both in training and in rescue work. By 1955, the number of 13 rescue machines is reported. In 1960, after excessive wear and lack of spare parts, they were decommissioned in the army.
Note: The individual sources differ slightly in the information.


My questions at the VÚA Prague regarding the availability of photographs of the Panther tank in the Czechoslovak army are answered by the researcher Mgr. Martin Dubánek:

Quote :

In the fund of MNO 1951-1970 there are definitely several photos of the vehicle (without the tower) and the tank destroyed during the experiments with the loot 12.8 cm Flak.

Note: If publishing on the non-profit internet portal www.valka.cz is a non-commercial matter (? - it requires a legal interpretation), then the price of copies of photographs is acceptable. Praguers, resp. those who have opportunities and are willing to invest a few crowns have the opportunity to get them (perhaps for our site).


Answer to the question concerning the official designation of Panther machines and the controversy as to whether they bear the designation T-42/75 N or this designation belongs to one of the modifications Pz.Kpfw.IV (T-40/75 N):

Quote :

Information on the designation of German tanks in the post-war Czechoslovakia. army as T-40/75 N a
T-42/75 N was drawn from the following document:
VHA, MNO-VŽV 1955, K 360, sig. 99/4/13/2, ref. 0051650, where it is said that VTMV eliminates tanks T-40/75 N and T-42/75 N. Type designation MS. techniques 1945-1960 is not entirely clear to the solver of this letter and due to the factual absence of Pz V in the Czechoslovak armament. Army believed that these were versions of Pz IV (eg, older versions of F and newer J).

Note: Due to a certain illogical division and a slight lack of clarity on the marking of one type of machine, although different versions, I still tend to claim that the marking T-42/75 N belongs to the tank Panther. Older version Pz.Kpfw. IV Ausf. F was a short-barreled version. Between Pz.Kpfw. IV Ausf. F a Pz.Kpfw. IV Ausf. J are still versions of Pz.Kpfw. IV Ausf. G a Pz.Kpfw. IV Ausf. H and these should perhaps also have their own label according to this logic. It is interesting to match the numbering of machines with the numbering of cannons ( KwK 40 at Pz.Kpfw. IV a KwK 42 pri Pantherovi). If that were true, it would mean that if the T-42/75N were decommissioned, they must have been included. This refutes the common claim that although the army owned these tanks, they were not included in the armament. However, if they were to form a certain backup, then the crews had to be trained for it. The possibility of training is certain, given the apparent use of rescue machines. The use of full-fledged tanks is questionable.


Czechoslovak projects of self-propelled works on the Panther platform:
105 mm ShH vz.18/40N on the Panther platform
152.4 mm ShH vz.18/47 on Panther platform
105 mm cannon vz.18 N on the Panther platform
305 mm mortar B-20 on the Panther platform


Army registration number
Vehicle type (T-42/75, VT-42, SD)
Chassis serial number (Fgst.Nr.)
Version (AUS)
Production date
Factory
Download Date
Unit
Note
67,387
T-42/75
124864
Panther Ausf.G
10/1944
Daimler-Benz
1947
Tank Training School
For the needs of HERE was repaired in 1947 AZ 1. In 1949, the tank was converted into a rescue tank and received the registration number 79,729.
67,490
VT-42
175573
Bergepanther Ausf.A
3/1944-10/1944
Demag (production taken from Daimler-Benz)
1948
Tank Training School
For the needs of HERE was repaired in 1948 at Škoda Works. After another correction, he was assigned to the 23rd Tank Brigade from July 13, 1950.
67,493
152,4 mm ShH 18/47N
213083
Panther Ausf.D
5/1943
M.N.H.
1949
Tank Training School
After the abolition of the self-propelled gun prototype, it was converted to a battle tank and received the registration number 79,695.
67,494
105 mm ShK 18N
214852 (number not present)
?
?
?
1949
Tank Training School
In 1950, the prototype was canceled. Use of the platform probably for a rescue vehicle.
79.684 T-42/75 217735 (non-existent number) [col ]? ? ? 10.11.1949 Tank Training School (1.Tank Regiment?) Originally intended in the construction of a prototype with an 88 mm anti-tank cannon vz.43/41N (intention canceled).The same source claims that the tank was assigned to the Tank Training School until 15.12.1949 (from 1.Tank Regiment?).
79.685
T-42/75
128689
Panther Ausf.G
10/1944
M.N.H.
not taken over

Originally intended in the construction of a prototype with an 88 mm anti-tank cannon vz.43/41N (the intention was canceled). Engine picked up during download - sent for repair. After the repair, it received a new registration number 79,737.
79.694
T-42/75
213743 (number not present)
?
?
?
17.11.1950
Z-25 Tank Armory
Stored in a detached center in Milovice in Prague. After rearmament in ČKD Sokolovo, Prague-Libeň in the years 1951/52 taken over on 18.12.1952.
79,695
T-42/75
213083
Panther Ausf.D
5/1943
M.N.H.
17.11.1950
Z-25 Tank Armory
Converted from prototype 152.4 mm ShH 18/47N id.no.67.493. Stored in a detached center in Milovice in Prague. After rearmament in the years 1951/52 taken over 18.12.1952.
79.696
T-42/75
?
?
?
?
17.11.1950
Z-25 Tank Armory
Stored in a detached center in Milovice in Prague. After rearmament in ČKD Sokolovo, Prague-Libeň in the years 1951/52 taken over on 18.12.1952.
79.697
T-42/75
213180
Panther Ausf.D
7/1943
M.N.H.
17.11.1950
Z-25 Tank Armory
Stored in a detached center in Milovice in Prague. After rearmament in ČKD Sokolovo, Prague-Libeň in the years 1951/52 taken over on 18.12.1952.
79.698
T-42/75
?
?
?
?
17.11.1950
Z-25 Tank Armory
Stored in a detached center in Milovice in Prague. Armed in ČKD Sokolovo, Prague-Libeň in the years 1951/52.
79,699
T-42/75
?
?
?
?
17.11.1950
Z-25 Tank Armory
Stored in a detached center in Milovice in Prague. Armed in ČKD Sokolovo, Prague-Libeň in the years 1951/52.
79,700
T-42/75
?
?
?
?
17.11.1950
Z-25 Tank Armory
Stored in a detached center in Milovice in Prague. Armed in ČKD Sokolovo, Prague-Libeň in the years 1951/52.
79,701
T-42/75
?
?
?
?
17.11.1950
Z-25 Tank Armory
Stored in a detached center in Milovice in Prague. Armed in ČKD Sokolovo, Prague-Libeň in the years 1951/52.
79,702
T-42/75
?
?
?
?
17.11.1950
Z-25 Tank Armory
Stored in a detached center in Milovice in Prague. Armed in ČKD Sokolovo, Prague-Libeň in the years 1951/52.
79,703
T-42/75
124857
Panther Ausf.G
10/1944
Daimler-Benz
17.11.1950
Z-25 Tank Armory
Stored in a detached center in Milovice in Prague. After rearmament in ČKD Sokolovo, Prague-Libeň in the years 1951/52 taken over on 18.12.1952.
79,704
T-42/75
128706
Panther Ausf.G
10/1944
M.N.H.
17.11.1950
Z-25 Tank Armory
Stored in a detached center in Milovice in Prague. After rearmament in ČKD Sokolovo, Prague-Libeň in the years 1951/52 taken over on 18.12.1952.
79,705
T-42/75
?
?
?
?
17.11.1950
Z-25 Tank Armory
Stored in a detached center in Milovice in Prague. Armed in ČKD Sokolovo, Prague-Libeň in the years 1951/52.
79,706
T-42/75
?
?
?
?
17.11.1950
Z-25 Tank Armory
Stored in a detached center in Milovice in Prague. Armed in ČKD Sokolovo, Prague-Libeň in the years 1951/52.
79,707
T-42/75 (VT-42 (?))
?
Panther Ausf.G ( Bergepanther Ausf.G?)
?
?
17.11.1950
Z-25 Tank Armory
Stored in a detached center in Milovice in Prague. Armed in ČKD Sokolovo, Prague-Libeň in the years 1951/52. Given the surviving photograph of the rescue tank with this registration number, it is questionable whether it was a combat Panther. It is possible that it was eventually converted from a battle tank to a rescue vehicle.
79,708
T-42/75
?
?
?
?
17.11.1950
Z-25 Tank Armory
Stored in a detached center in Milovice in Prague. Armed in ČKD Sokolovo, Prague-Libeň in the years 1951/52.
79.709
T-42/75
?
?
?
?
17.11.1950
Z-25 Tank Armory
Stored in a detached center in Milovice in Prague. Armed in ČKD Sokolovo, Prague-Libeň in the years 1951/52.
79,710
T-42/75
?
?
?
?
17.11.1950
Z-25 Tank Armory
Stored in a detached center in Milovice in Prague. Armed in ČKD Sokolovo, Prague-Libeň in the years 1951/52.
79,711
T-42/75
?
?
?
?
17.11.1950
Z-25 Tank Armory
Stored in a detached center in Milovice in Prague. Armed in ČKD Sokolovo, Prague-Libeň in the years 1951/52.
79,712
T-42/75
?
?
?
?
17.11.1950
Z-25 Tank Armory
Stored in a detached center in Milovice in Prague. Armed in ČKD Sokolovo, Prague-Libeň in the years 1951/52.
79,713
T-42/75
?
?
?
?
17.11.1950
Z-25 Tank Armory
Stored in a detached center in Milovice in Prague. Armed in ČKD Sokolovo, Prague-Libeň in the years 1951/52.
79,714
T-42/75
?
?
?
?
17.11.1950
Z-25 Tank Armory
Stored in a detached center in Milovice in Prague. Armed in ČKD Sokolovo, Prague-Libeň in the years 1951/52.
79,715
T-42/75
?
?
?
?
17.11.1950
Z-25 Tank Armory
Stored in a detached center in Milovice in Prague. Armed in ČKD Sokolovo, Prague-Libeň in the years 1951/52.
79,716
T-42/75
?
?
?
?
17.11.1950
Z-25 Tank Armory
Stored in a detached center in Milovice in Prague. Armed in ČKD Sokolovo, Prague-Libeň in the years 1951/52.
79.717
T-42/75
?
?
?
?
17.11.1950
Z-25 Tank Armory
Stored in a detached center in Milovice in Prague. Armed in ČKD Sokolovo, Prague-Libeň in the years 1951/52.
79,718
T-42/75
?
?
?
?
17.11.1950
Z-25 Tank Armory
Stored in a detached center in Milovice in Prague. Armed in ČKD Sokolovo, Prague-Libeň in the years 1951/52.
79,719
T-42/75
?
?
?
?
17.11.1950
Z-25 Tank Armory
Stored in a detached center in Milovice in Prague. Armed in ČKD Sokolovo, Prague-Libeň in the years 1951/52.
79,720
T-42/75
?
?
?
?
17.11.1950
Z-25 Tank Armory
Stored in a detached center in Milovice in Prague. Armed in ČKD Sokolovo, Prague-Libeň in the years 1951/52.
79,721
T-42/75
128736
Panther Ausf.G
10/1944
M.N.H.
4.9.1950
Z-25 Tank Armory
Stored in a detached center in Milovice in Prague. Armed in ČKD Sokolovo, Prague-Libeň in the years 1951/52.
79,722
T-42/75
128397
Panther Ausf.G
7/1944
M.N.H.
4.9.1950
Z-25 Tank Armory
Stored in a detached center in Milovice in Prague. Armed in ČKD Sokolovo, Prague-Libeň in the years 1951/52.
79,723
T-42/75
121074
Panther Ausf.G
9/1944
M.A.N.
4.9.1950
Z-25 Tank Armory
Stored in a detached center in Milovice in Prague. Armed in ČKD Sokolovo, Prague-Libeň in the years 1951/52.
79,724
VT-42
175655
Bergepanther Ausf.A
before 10/1944
Demag
17.5.1950
23.Tank Brigade

79,725
VT-42
175652
Bergepanther Ausf.A
before 10/1944
Demag
17.5.1950
21.Tanková brigáda

79,726
VT-42
175740
Bergepanther Ausf.G
1944/45 (?)
Demag
17.5.1950
Tank Training School

79.727
VT-42
175585
Bergepanther Ausf.A
before 10/1944
Demag
17.5.1950
11.Tanková brigáda

79,728
VT-42
175678
Bergepanther Ausf.G
end of 1944 (?)
Demag
17.5.1950
1.Tanková brigáda

79,729
VT-42
124864
Panther Ausf.G
10/1944
Daimler-Benz
13.7.1950
1.Tankový pluk
Converted from T-42/75 registration number 67.387.
79,730
VT-42
152557
Panther Ausf.A
5/1944
Daimler-Benz
13.7.1950
11.Tanková brigáda

79,731
VT-42
128774
Panther Ausf.G
11/1944
M.N.H.
13.7.1950
12.Tanková brigáda

79,732
VT-42
129091
Panther Ausf.G
3/1945
M.N.H.
13.7.1950
12.Tanková brigáda

79.733
VT-42
211141
Panther Ausf.D
7/1943
Daimler-Benz
13.7.1950
21.Tanková brigáda

79,734
VT-42
273753 (number not present)
?
?
?
13.7.1950
21.Tanková brigáda
Probably a clerical error. Possible exchange of numbers "1" for "7" (? 213153 - Panther Ausf.D, 7/1943, MNH).
79,735
VT-42
128936
Panther Ausf.G
1/1945
M.N.H.
4.9.1950
?

79,736
T-42/75
125144
Panther Ausf.G
1/1945
Daimler-Benz
4.9.1950
Z-25 Tank Armory
Stored in a detached center in Milovice in Prague. Armed in ČKD Sokolovo, Prague-Libeň in the years 1951/52.
79.737
T-42/75
128689
Panther Ausf.G
11/1944
M.N.H.
4.9.1950
Z-25 Tank Armory
Stored in a detached center in Milovice in Prague. Armed in ČKD Sokolovo, Prague-Libeň in the years 1951/52. Original registration no.79.685.



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- Czechoslovak soldier magazine, volume 1959
- document ČT 1: www.ceskatelevize.cz
- with permission to publish from the owner of the photograph Martin Málek: https://www.facebook.com/groups/307283852755257/
- www.facebook.com
- https://www.hartziel.de/_typen/bergepanther.htm
- Military History Institute Prague
- film Otava Reconnaissance Group (1958)
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>> Pz.Kpfw. V Panther - ve službách cizích armád - 12.8.1964 došlo k veľkej železničnej nehode na třebovském záhlaví v železničnej stanici Ústí nad Orlicí

12.8.1964 došlo k veľkej železničnej nehode na třebovském záhlaví v železničnej stanici Ústí nad Orlicí

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>> Pz.Kpfw. V Panther - ve službách cizích armád - 12.8.1964 došlo k veľkej železničnej nehode na třebovském záhlaví v železničnej stanici Ústí nad Orlicí

12.8.1964 došlo k veľkej železničnej nehode na třebovském záhlaví v železničnej stanici Ústí nad Orlicí

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>> Pz.Kpfw. V Panther - ve službách cizích armád - V roku 1958 bol natočený film Průzkumná skupina Otava, v ktorom sa v 31. minúte objaví Bergepanther upravený do akejsi podoby amerického atómového kanóna.

V roku 1958 bol natočený film Průzkumná skupina Otava, v ktorom sa v 31. minúte objaví Bergepanther upravený do akejsi podoby amerického atómového kanóna.
>> Pz.Kpfw. V Panther - ve službách cizích armád - V roku 1958 bol natočený film Průzkumná skupina Otava, v ktorom sa v 31. minúte objaví Bergepanther upravený do akejsi podoby amerického atómového kanóna.

V roku 1958 bol natočený film Průzkumná skupina Otava, v ktorom sa v 31. minúte objaví Bergepanther upravený do akejsi podoby amerického atómového kanóna.
>> Pz.Kpfw. V Panther - ve službách cizích armád - Bergepanther na kopci v pozadí.

Bergepanther na kopci v pozadí.
>> Pz.Kpfw. V Panther - ve službách cizích armád - Pravdepodobne dobový záber vraku Bergepanthera, ktorý bol predaný v roku 1989. Záber pravdepodobne pochádza zo strelnice v Bzenciach. Následne bol vrak presunutý do Kbel, kde sa však dlho neohrial a putoval k rakúskemu zberateľovi. Neskôr sa stal súčasťou zbierky belgického zberateľa André Beckera, kde sa podrobil čiastočnej rekonštrukcii a v nedokončenej podobe je stále v Beckerovej zbierke.

Pravdepodobne dobový záber vraku Bergepanthera, ktorý bol predaný v roku 1989. Záber pravdepodobne pochádza zo strelnice v Bzenciach. Následne bol vrak presunutý do Kbel, kde sa však dlho neohrial a putoval k rakúskemu zberateľovi. Neskôr sa stal súčasťou zbierky belgického zberateľa André Beckera, kde sa podrobil čiastočnej rekonštrukcii a v nedokončenej podobe je stále v Beckerovej zbierke.
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>> Pz.Kpfw. V Panther - ve službách cizích armád - Pravdepodobne pôvodný stav po dodaní z Československa.

Pravdepodobne pôvodný stav po dodaní z Československa.
>> Pz.Kpfw. V Panther - ve službách cizích armád - Československý Bergepanther v zbierke belgického zberateľa André Beckera.

Československý Bergepanther v zbierke belgického zberateľa André Beckera.

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>> Pz.Kpfw. V Panther - ve službách cizích armád - Čiastočne zrekonštruovaný Bergepanther získaný v 9/1989 (?) z Československa.

Čiastočne zrekonštruovaný Bergepanther získaný v 9/1989 (?) z Československa.

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>> Pz.Kpfw. V Panther - ve službách cizích armád - Fotografia z roku cca 1954, lokalita Luštenice. Podľa spomienok strýka majiteľa fotografie išlo o Bergepanther, ktorý sa k jednotke dostal od zrušenej brigády zo Strašíc. Z Lušteníc neskôr tanky putovali do vysokých pecí. Na čelnom pancieri je evidenčná značka. Po preskúmaní v grafickom editore by som povedal, že ide o ev.č.79.707. Zdá sa, že je to vozidlo v plnej kondícii, vybavené svetlometom, nemeckým notekom a klaksónom.

Fotografia z roku cca 1954, lokalita Luštenice. Podľa spomienok strýka majiteľa fotografie išlo o Bergepanther, ktorý sa k jednotke dostal od zrušenej brigády zo Strašíc. Z Lušteníc neskôr tanky putovali do vysokých pecí. Na čelnom pancieri je evidenčná značka. Po preskúmaní v grafickom editore by som povedal, že ide o ev.č.79.707. Zdá sa, že je to vozidlo v plnej kondícii, vybavené svetlometom, nemeckým notekom a klaksónom.
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>> Pz.Kpfw. V Panther - ve službách cizích armád - Tento Bergepanther Ausf.G sa 12.12.1951 v Miloviciach zúčastnil testovania priechodivosti cez protitankové prakážky (v tomto prípade ide o oceľové ihlany typu B).

Tento Bergepanther Ausf.G sa 12.12.1951 v Miloviciach zúčastnil testovania priechodivosti cez protitankové prakážky (v tomto prípade ide o oceľové ihlany typu B).
>> Pz.Kpfw. V Panther - ve službách cizích armád - Osudové okamžiky
Frýdlant v Čechách 1958, Rozvodněná řeka Smědá strhla do dravého proudu osobní vlak (2003). Režie L. Klega, ČT1

Osudové okamžiky
Frýdlant v Čechách 1958, Rozvodněná řeka Smědá strhla do dravého proudu osobní vlak (2003). Režie L. Klega, ČT1

>> Pz.Kpfw. V Panther - ve službách cizích armád - zdroj: časopis Voják via Dolin

zdroj: časopis Voják via Dolin
>> Pz.Kpfw. V Panther - ve službách cizích armád - fotografie z časopisu Československý voják 1957

fotografie z časopisu Československý voják 1957
>> Pz.Kpfw. V Panther - ve službách cizích armád - Farebná reprodukcia obrázku nižšie. Zdroj : Československý voják 1959.

Farebná reprodukcia obrázku nižšie. Zdroj : Československý voják 1959.
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>> Pz.Kpfw. V Panther - ve službách cizích armád - Nejaké pojazdné, nie statické Panthery.

Nejaké pojazdné, nie statické Panthery.
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>> Pz.Kpfw. V Panther - ve službách cizích armád - Vyprosťovací Panther zasahuje pri vlakovom nešťastí z roku 1958,kedy sa osobný vlak zrútil do rieky Smědá zo svahu podmytého prudkými dažďami.Tragédia sa odohrala na trati medzi Libercem a Frýdlantem,pod frýdlandským zámkom v Čechách.

Vyprosťovací Panther zasahuje pri vlakovom nešťastí z roku 1958,kedy sa osobný vlak zrútil do rieky Smědá zo svahu podmytého prudkými dažďami.Tragédia sa odohrala na trati medzi Libercem a Frýdlantem,pod frýdlandským zámkom v Čechách.
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Bergepanther ve službě u ČSLA

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Podle vzpomínek Mjr. v.z .Ing. Jaroslava Taušnera (Jaroslav Taušner bol prvým majstrom v riadení tanku v ČSSR spolu s Kpt. Bílým z armádnych dielní v Plzni) spísal Ing. Miroslav Háze:


Minimálně do roku 1959 byly 2 ks Bergepanthera dislokovány u Divizní tankové dílny 13. tankové divize v Milovicích-Mladá. (Obr. 1)
Vzhledem k náročnosti seřízení, obsluhy, přepravy a velké spotřeby paliva byly tyto stroje používány jen pro těžké vyprošťovací práce. Díky velké tažné síle navijáku 180t byl stroj používán v rámci celé republiky ( vyprošťovací tank T-55 měl jen 130 t). Tank byl plně vybaven pro vyprošťovací práce. Přeprava tanku probíhala většinou po železnici. Kvůli překročené ložné šířce se tank musel přepravovat po železnici jen po určitých tratích, které splňovaly náležité technické parametry.
O údržbu a seřízení se staral pan Švára, který byl za války totálně nasazen v Německu přímo u výrobce motorů Maybach na motorové brzdě, takže tento motor velice dobře znal a dokázal jej seřídit na všech 12 válců, což v praxi bylo dost náročné. Pan Švára též navrhl a provedl přestavbu jednoho milovického Bergepanthera na sovětský motor z T-34. Tato přestavba byla vyvolána hlavně velkou spotřebou paliva motoru Maybach a nedostatkem náhradních dílů na tento motor. Přestavba se zdařila a tank pak ještě nějaký čas sloužil u ČSLA.
Tank měl 11 rychlostí vpřed a 2 vzad. Jako jediný tank u ČSLA měl RJ=b/2 což znamená, že se na místě otočil okolo svého těžiště, což jiné tanky z II. Světové války neměly.
Tank z Milovic se např. používal na tahání kamene v Železném Brodě, který byl určen na Stalinův pomník, při vyprošťování lokomotivy při železničním neštěstí na trati mezi Libercem a Frýdlantem (obr.2) a při vojenských přehlídkách tankových jednotek na Letné.
Tanky byly nastříkány zeleně na všech plochách a podle vzpomínek pana Taušnera pravděpodobně tank (viz. obr.2) kompletně pocházel z německé výroby.



Ing. Miroslav Háze
Mjr. v.z .Ing. Jaroslav Taušner

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Fotografie doposiaľ neboli nikde publikované.

>> Pz.Kpfw. V Panther - ve službách cizích armád - Milovice-Mladá.  Jaroslav Taušner v brigadýrce před Bergepantherem

Milovice-Mladá. Jaroslav Taušner v brigadýrce před Bergepantherem
>> Pz.Kpfw. V Panther - ve službách cizích armád - 1958-Bergepanther sjíždí z železničního vagónu a bude vyprošťovat osobní vlak, který se zřítil do řeky Smědá na trati mezi Libercem a Frýdlantem. Za řízením Bergepantheru sedí staršina Jaroslav Plašil.

1958-Bergepanther sjíždí z železničního vagónu a bude vyprošťovat osobní vlak, který se zřítil do řeky Smědá na trati mezi Libercem a Frýdlantem. Za řízením Bergepantheru sedí staršina Jaroslav Plašil.
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O zaradení Bergepanterov v päťdesiatych rokoch v jednotkách československej armády svedčí i priložená fotografia s popisom, v ktorom sa píše o zámene motora za motor V-2 z tanku T-34. Preto som nechal ten popis pod fotografiou.


Obrana lidu 1956 č. 226



*Doplnenie Braňo:
Spomenutý stroj, alebo jeden z niekoľkých strojov, ktorý(é) mohol prejsť takouto modifikáciou je spomenutý v téme o prestavbách platforiem ISU na civilné buldozéry.



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Panther in the French Army
During the liberation of France, a number of German armored vehicles were located on its territory, from which the Escadron Besnier unit was formed during the liberation. She also had a Panther tank in her condition. After the war, the 503rd RCC (Regiment de Char de Combat) was formed from these tanks in Mourmelon. Another unit she had in the Panther state was 6 e cuir.
The total number of about 50 Panther tanks is given, including rescue Bergepanther. The tanks were in service until the mid-50s of the 20th century.


In Escadron Besnier was Panther Ausf.G crew named "Dauphiné", later supplemented by Panther Ausf. A named "Brittany".


V 1 er RCA (Régiment de Chasseurs d'Afrique), incorporated in 5 ème Division Blindée was also Panther Ausf.G captured December 18, 1944 during the liberation of the Alsatian town of Kaysersberg. The soldiers named the vehicle after the place of capture " Kaysersberg". It was deployed in the unit until April 4, 1945, when it broke down when crossing the Rhine.



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>> Pz.Kpfw. V Panther - ve službách cizích armád - Počas bojov ukoristený Panther pomenovaný Dauphine

Počas bojov ukoristený Panther pomenovaný "Dauphine"
>> Pz.Kpfw. V Panther - ve službách cizích armád - Počas bojov ukoristený Panther pomenovaný Kaysersberg.

Počas bojov ukoristený Panther pomenovaný "Kaysersberg".
>> Pz.Kpfw. V Panther - ve službách cizích armád - Počas bojov ukoristený Panther pomenovaný Kaysersberg.

Počas bojov ukoristený Panther pomenovaný "Kaysersberg".
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>> Pz.Kpfw. V Panther - ve službách cizích armád - Civilné využitie platformy Panther

Civilné využitie platformy Panther
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>> Pz.Kpfw. V Panther - ve službách cizích armád - Stíhač tankov Jagdpanther ukoristený francúzskymi jednotkami vo francúzskej obci Fréland.

Stíhač tankov Jagdpanther ukoristený francúzskymi jednotkami vo francúzskej obci Fréland.
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short episode of the type Pz.Kpfw.V in the Armed Forces of the United Kingdom



& amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; The claim that all those interested in World War II history know that British troops used captured German tanks in combat is
1. somewhat daring (because not everyone really knows),
2. a little pulled by the hair (because there might be dozens, if not hundreds, to put it that way) and
3. based at least in part on the truth, because several armored vehicles, respectively. tanks of German origin were actually used by the British in combat and others underwent extensive tests after the war


& amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; In this matter, we focus on one of the most successful and perhaps most prized tanks of the Pz.Kpfw.V Panther.


& amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; You may know that members of the 4 Bn Coldstream Guards used a Panther tank, nicknamed CUCKOO ("Cuckoo"), during the fighting in Western Europe, but not everyone has probably heard of the vehicle. of the same type, called DESERTER, which was used during the Italian campaign by British tankers from the Royal Tank Regiment. However, both Panthers, christened by new names with a clear dose of dry British humor, were not the first and far from the last vehicles of this type to fall into the hands of the British…


& amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; In the late summer of 1943, a Panther D with tower number 433 was transported to Great Britain by a ship from the USSR, captured by Soviet troops in working order during the Battle of Kursk. The vehicle originally belonged to the 51 Panzer Abteilung and it is not possible to say with certainty under what circumstances it was captured.
& amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; It is indisputable that the vehicle made a British impression on British designers in a short time with its technical parameters, estimated (combat) characteristics and design as such, because they still knew it. only from significantly (as otherwise) distorted intelligence information. It is certainly not without context that it was at the end of 1943 that the British Ministry of Defense specified its requirements for the development of a new tank, later known as the Centurion, whose design was to some extent influenced by the Pz.Kpfw.V Panther. Production of the Centurions did not begin until January 1945, and British specialists had plenty of time to compare the two structures, a clear resemblance, especially the front of the hull of both vehicles and the construction of the new British tank in general is certainly not entirely coincidental.
& amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; A number of serviceable or only slightly damaged Panthers of various variants fell into British hands after D-Day, and the vehicles were later intensively tested in the British Isles. Undoubtedly, Panther's shooting tests were developed as part of the development of new ammunition for British tank cannons and other anti-tank weapons, resistance tests to already established and newly developed anti-tank mines and probably another wide range of tests, but unfortunately no report on their results has been published and probably remains hidden. in the British archives as opposed to the detailed results of extensive trials and tests of the Tiger tank, captured by the British in the fighting in Tunisia. Nevertheless, it can be said with certainty that the Panther was the type that the British were most interested in of all the German tanks available to them.


& amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; After the defeat of Germany and the imminent surrender of Imperial Japan, the military presence of the Allied (excluding Soviet) armed forces in Europe was declining. The British Army of the Rhine (BAOR) was gradually reduced to peacetime, and the wreckage and other remnants of the upheaval of the last months of the war gradually disappeared in the occupying sectors of the Western Powers.
& amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; Among the REME (Royal Electrical and Mechanical Engineers), specifically at the 823 Armored Troops Workshop in Laatzen, Germany, was a young captain, W. J. Hadlow.In this city, south of Hanover, there was a plant for the production and repair of artillery during the war, which was damaged by Allied bombing and also by foreign workers who, just after the liberation, destroyed much of the machinery and other equipment that survived Allied air raids. It is difficult to assess whether the plant was damaged more by bombing or what happened in it after the arrival of the Allies, but it is certain that in the summer of 1945 the production and repair halls were damaged but still standing, but their equipment was in ruins.
& amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; Hadlow, together with several officers from BAOR headquarters, took part in an inspection in August 1945 of the Maschinenfabrik Niedersachsen factory in the Hannover-Linden (MNH) part from companies participated in the production and final assembly of Panther tanks and Jagdpanther tank destroyers. Of course, this plant also received its share of Allied bombs, yet its facilities were not affected as much as it was the case of industrial buildings and residential buildings in other parts of the city. However, it is important that the inspection group found a larger number of partially assembled armored vehicles of the above types and enough parts to complete the assembly of at least part of them in the MNH building. Captain Hadlow was entrusted with this task, ie ensuring the rescue of vehicles from the wreckage and ensuring their final assembly.

& amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; Since the MNH facilities in Hanover were damaged by much more bombing than the Laatzen cannon, it was decided to move part of the technical equipment, the vehicle (in the best possible technical condition ) and usable parts from MNH to complete their assembly right here and there.
& amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; However, when we talk about "vehicles in the best possible condition", it should be noted that in most cases they were only "empty" bodies, some already partially assembled chassis only on the travel wheels, in the best case also with the drive unit and on the belts. Other assembly units, groups and subgroups, towers and cannon armament were in a more or less complete state scattered along the assembly lines in the MNH buildings, between the wreckage and or below them.
& amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; REME members not only had to deal with the issue of rescuing vehicles and parts from their debris, but the task of transporting them from Hanover to Laatzen proved to be much more difficult. The wide surroundings of the MNH were in ruins, flooded with the remains of bombed buildings, it was necessary to use heavy mechanisms to remove and clean the roads.
& amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; Just as in Hanover, it was necessary to deal with the rescue of vehicles and parts for their final assembly from the rubble and, in addition, transport through the city, a similar situation was in the Laatzen cannon. The first object of the main assembly hall with a large mobile gantry crane was put into operation, British soldiers were able to repair basically everything, but they could not start the production of German tanks ...


& amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; Hadlow was able to convince one of the MNH masters, who brought several more experienced workers to Laatzen, who had previously participated in the final assembly of the Panthers and Jagdpanthers in Hanover and had assembly procedures "in blood". Basically, it was the only possible solution, because neither technical drawings nor technological procedures were available, because Hadlow did not have even a basic manual for tank crews.
& amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; Notwithstanding the fact that the entire REME unit with rescue and transport technology was involved in transporting the material from MNH to Laatzen, the final assembly of the Panthers and Jagdpanthers was to be in the cannon , with the exception of German workers, only Captain Hadlow and one of the British non-commissioned officers, whose interest in the task (and probably to some extent fascination with German technology) assembled…
& amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; Of course, the work of the Hadlow Group cannot be compared to the actual "production" of tanks, it was really a "mere" assembly of vehicles using assemblies, groups and subgroups, found and rescued from the rubble of the MNH factory in Hanover.
& amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; As the "torsion" of tanks was gradually transported to Laatzen, other material gathered from other places in the area - such as optics and sights were found in an underground factory (deployed). in one of the local mines), batteries, vehicle electrical equipment and other parts were brought in from other places. German workers, paid not only by rations of food and cigarettes, tried. After all, they received a very good salary at a time when it was difficult to find a skilled job, and they did what they understood well and knew that their products were "reliably tested in previous practice" of the war years.
& amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; Hadlow, for example, noted the special attention and care given by German workers to the storage, handling, and assembly of torsion bars of the tank running gear, with careful care.


The work continued for approximately 9 months, during which time a total of 9 Panther G-type vehicles and 12 JagdPanther vehicles were (essentially) completed.
& amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; Then the tests of the "new" vehicles began - in two phases.
At first, only tests of unarmed vehicles (tanks without towers, tank destroyers without cannons, with a weapon mask opening covered by a plate) took place both by driving on the road (and even on the highway from Laatzen to Hanover) and in the demanding terrain of Hannoverheide, large heathland areas around the city. .
& amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; As for road tests, the city took place on the Hanover motorway and adjacent roads, as the city was severely damaged and debris was delayed. The tanks were transported from Laatzen on low-loaders only on Sunday, the day when there was minimal traffic on the roads out of the city, and in the same way the cannons were imported back into the building after the tests. The transport of tanks was difficult, not only due to the size of vehicles and their transporters, but also due to the amount of debris in the city and its surroundings. Many bridges were destroyed or completely destroyed at the end of the war, and according to these conditions, transport routes, shifts along its own axis and own test drives had to be planned.
According to contemporary photographs, the terrain was very waterlogged and drivers and other soldiers from Hadlow's REME unit often had to rescue sunken vehicles during test drives of vehicles off paved roads, according to period photographs. & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp;

& amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; So, the operability of the vehicles was tested first, and only then were the towers mounted on the Panthers, 88 mm cannons in the Jagdpanthers, and with the vehicles thus assembled, road tests were carried out again on in terrain. During this stage, local complaints about the driving qualities of British soldiers began to multiply, as in several cases the buildings on the road were damaged by unusually long cannons of vehicles.
At the end of the tests, after cleaning and maintenance, all vehicles were painted with standard German camouflage paints from stock and were "ready for service".The performed camouflage scheme is, unfortunately, difficult to reconstruct from the preserved photographs, it was probably only a paint with the color Dunkelgelb without another combination with another shade.


& amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; In the spring of 1946, the project was terminated and Captain Hadlow was transferred to another unit, and Corporal Bell demobilized and returned home to the United Kingdom. Before that, however, Hadlow had it made and had plates engraved with "dedicated" installed on the assembled tanks, which described the 823 Armored Troops Workshop's role in the "production" of vehicles. These plates are still on the Panthers and Jagdpanthers, preserved in the museum exhibitions in Bovington and other IWM exhibitions.
Fortunately, Captain Hadlow soon discovered that one of his subordinates was a passionate photographer, and although photomaterials and chemicals were scarce goods in Germany, it was this "postwar stage of life that “Panther tanks and Jagdpanther tank destroyers are documented in great detail from the time of their assembly to the tests described above. The collection of photographs taken in this way is currently the property of the Bovington Museum.


& amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; The rest of the history of the "British" Panthers and Jagdpanthers is no longer so thoroughly documented. Captain Hadlow, assigned at the time to the REME unit stationed in Lüneburg, was visited sometime in the summer of 1946 by a master from Hanover and informed him that the Panthers were being tested on the Lüneburg Heath.


& amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; A separate company was formed by the command of an unspecified Royal Armored Corps (RAC) stationed within BAOR, Germany, for these tests (which can be considered "military"). and Hadlow's acquaintance with several workers were called in to ensure vehicle maintenance during these tests.
& amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; Unfortunately, it is not possible to trace over time which RAC unit was, and test results are not available, if they have been officially processed at all. The same must be said in connection with the documents which Captain Hadlow drew up during his time in the cannon in Laatzen during the tests of the vehicles assembled in it.


& amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; Further evidence of ongoing Panther trials dates back to the summer of 1948 and was processed by Fighting Vehicle Proving Establishments (FVPE) in Chertsey, Surrey. The documents mention tests of the driving and, let's say, combat characteristics of the Panthers, which took place under the control and supervision of the FVDD (Fighting Vehicle Design Department). According to these documents, two Panther tanks, two Jagdpanthers and one Bergepanther underwent "acceptance" tests, planned and organized in full according to the then valid British standards. At the same time, according to the documents, Bergepanther had covered 600 km before the tests began, the other vehicles were "essentially" new (and undoubtedly belong to the vehicles assembled in Laatzen under the command of Captain Hadlow). The only spare parts available for this stage of the tests were the propulsion units, one of which was installed in Bergepanther before the tests began.


& amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; Before we continue to describe the tests, the question of the fate of the other vehicles assembled in Laatzen seems logical. It is common practice to subject new tanks (and other armored vehicles, newly developed or prey) to not only driving tests (as described above), but also shooting and shooting tests. As for the test of the Panther tank by shooting (ie resistance to ammunition from various weapons), one vehicle served as a target in the tests of the heavy tank Tortoise in Germany, while it is not possible to determine with certainty whether it was a prey tank or after the war assembled in a cannon in Laatzen . Other vehicles were used for various other tests (eg in order to determine the capabilities or time standards of vehicle use, inter-repair and maintenance standards, service life of groups and subgroups), mine resistance tests, etc.

& amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; Tests of the Panther tank, as conducted under the command of the FVDD in the British Isles, were disappointing, according to some indications.
& amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; The available reports state that the tests were terminated prematurely due to the fact that all vehicles suffered from serious driving faults and unpleasantly frequent fires in the engine compartment dared to claim that virtually any armored vehicle can suffer if it is not properly treated, fuel "drips" are suffered and enough flammable material, such as rags saturated with lubricants, etc., is left in the engine compartment during "maintenance"). Due to the absolute lack of spare parts (the propulsion unit is not quite logically everything that can terminate service on the vehicle during the tests), some vehicles were cannibalized even before the tests ended prematurely. The situation was so desperate that a former German tanker, a member of the Panther crew, was called in from the prisoner of war camp to help at least with advice. stages) without directional clutches, directly braking to blocking the belt… The reason for such a practice was considered by the British to be the high failure rate of the final gears, which were very heavily loaded when using directional clutches.


Leaks in the fuel system, especially carburetors, have been identified as the most likely cause of fires in the engine compartment, with defects of this type occurring repeatedly on all four vehicles tested. While driving, the danger of this fault was reported by long flames from white-hot exhausts and (test) drivers soon found that in such a case it was better to stop the fuel supply and let the engine "suffocate" than simply turn off the ignition because in such a case it threatened " flashback ”and engine ignition.
& amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; Despite the "vices" mentioned above, it is worth mentioning at least some of the results of the test program. For example, the highest speed from a "flying" start, achieved with the 7th gear engaged, is 29.4 mph, from a "fixed" start after & # 189; miles reached a speed of 19.2 mph (shifted gear not specified), the highest speed reached on the road was not detected due to problems with driving (for safety reasons) and the off-road test for 25 miles was canceled while maintaining the highest possible safety speed.
& amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; The Panther transmission was rated as "too sharp" (understand fast) based on driving tests, 7th gear could only be engaged for long shifts on level ground. and without the slightest climb, the chances of using it when driving off-road were rated as less than minimal.
& amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; Panther turned on a radius from 22 feet (with first gear engaged) to 295 feet (with 6th gear engaged) in this 7th gear test. gear, the radius was marked as "too large for an accurate measurement". The last test the vehicles underwent was the ability to overcome inclines - on slope No.4 (22.12%) on the test track in Miles Hill. The last of the tanks was stopped on the brakes in the middle of the slope and before the start (test start), the brakes failed. The vehicle slid uncontrolled down the slope and stopped on a stump. At the same time, the torsion bar and (quite logically) the gearbox were damaged. Given that two more tanks had been largely cannibalized for spare parts during previous tests and the third vehicle had damaged steering from an unfinished 25-mile off-road test while maintaining the highest possible safe speed, this marked the practical end of the test program.This decision was confirmed in a summary report prepared as of February 20, 1948.
& amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; The Summary Report, as already mentioned, further emphasizes that the vehicle tests were too short to provide objective data for evaluation (while re-evaluating the evaluation). management shortcomings, tendency to fire in the engine compartment, etc.), while setting out some other facts, such as the findings of search teams operating in occupied Germany, on the development of further modifications of the Panther tank with electric and hydraulic transmissions.


The Bergepanther, which was included in the tests in Surrey, was one of at least two vehicles of the type captured by the Allies./amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; At the same time, the summary report mentions a vehicle acquired by the Americans in Belgium, who in March 1945 prepared an Ordnance Technical Intelligence Report for this type of vehicle. It was probably a Bergepanther with a D-body, the vehicle was obtained complete, including a manual for the crew, which was evaluated particularly positively. No details were found about the origin of the British tested Bergepanther except for the description of the technical condition from June 1945 - here the condition is described as good, the vehicle is fully operational, but without an operator's manual. It was a vehicle with an A body, with completely complete accessories and equipment, so the tests could be subjected to virtually everything that was in the vehicle…


The main goal of the Bergepanther tests, which took place in Chobham, was to verify the overall concept of the vehicle, assuming the application of the knowledge gained in the design of British rescue vehicles. (amp). nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp;
& amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; It has been stated that the Bergepanther winch has, without other equipment, a direct pull of 40 t and this power can be doubled using the vehicle's own equipment (pulleys and anchors). The winch itself was driven by an additional gearbox, placed between the vehicle's drive unit and the clutch. The winch controls were located on the right, next to the vehicle commander's seat, the disadvantage was considered that there was no control of fuel supply - when using the winch, therefore, in addition to the man operating the winch on the right seat, the driver was required. Winch controls included forward/reverse mode levers, rope brakes and winch drive clutch lever. Since the output of the winch drive was between the clutch and the engine, it was necessary to stop the vehicle's drive unit before connecting the winch - this was also evaluated by test drivers as a disadvantage of the vehicle concept.
& amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; The summary report also mentions the blade used to anchor the vehicle during the rescue, but the evaluation focuses on simply stating that it is raised and lowered by a winch and in both positions can be locked. In connection with the blade, the assembly of the adapter to the towing hook at the rear of the vehicle is also mentioned.
& amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; The rating highlights the possibility of using a folding crane/jib, which can be mounted on the right or left side of the vehicle body and greatly facilitates the handling of all portable equipment, pulleys and jacks marching position stored in a large box above the original wreath of the tower, under which is stored its own winch. A massive wooden beam, placed in a marching position on the side of the body above the winch, can be mounted on the feet on the bow of the vehicle body and used to push the rescued vehicle.
& amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; Bergepanther's practical test involved rescuing the "unable to move" Churchill ARV Mk.II from a deep ditch into which the bow entered by practically "stuck" into the counterweight. Panther then backed up to the "damaged vehicle" and after stopping the engine, the winch drive was engaged. Then the Bergepanther engine was turned again and the blade was lowered using a winch and the tow rope was pulled out. It was attached to a pair of Churchill tow ropes with an inline dynamometer to measure traction. Then the Bergepanther engine was stopped again and the winch drive was disconnected.
& amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; After the towing vehicle's engine started, it began its own operation - Bergepanther began to move forward to take a position suitable for rescuing Churchill and dragged the lowered blade down the ground. When this happened and the ropes were stretched, the "winch drive connection procedure" took place again (stop the engine, connect the drive, turn the engine). At first, Bergepanther was "attracted" to the rescued Churchill, even though the driver was "standing on the brakes", but the moment the blade dug deep enough into the ground, everything ran as expected. Slowly, but still, Churchill, weighing about 40 t, was gradually pulled out of the ditch, while the values measured by the dynamometer ranged from 46 to 50 t. It should be noted that no pulleys were used and the measured values therefore relate to direct thrust winch Bergepanthera.
& amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; The summary report shows that the Bergepanther was considered a useful and fully serviceable rescue vehicle capable of rescuing any other (then existing) German armored vehicle. The crew of two men is fully sufficient for handling all equipment of the vehicle and in emergency and for rescue, it is able to perform any rescue operation, especially in a situation where the crew of the rescued vehicle will help. The disadvantage of Bergepanther was then considered the open space of the crew, unprotected against firing the upper group of angles. It was further noted that some Bergepanther equipment was designed to be unnecessarily complex, on the other hand it was appreciated that (unlike similar British vehicles) in Bergepanther there are no heavy pulleys, jacks or other equipment that would need to be carried and re-carried only crew forces. In addition to the above, the summary report also mentions that, although certainly useful, Bergepanther does not have a portable welding kit for minor field repairs. So much for the FVDD's summary report on the Panther trials in Surrey.


& amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; Finally, let's ask again about the future of these vehicles. It is quite certain that Bergepanther has not been preserved to this day - even the fate of the winch, which has been maintained for many years at the FVDD base in Chertsey, cannot be verified at present.
& amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; Jagdpanther and Panther are among the exhibits of the RAC Museum in Bovington, and we can say with certainty that they are assembled under the supervision of Captain Hadlow in Laatzen. He is sure that the Bovington Panther is a vehicle assembled in Laatzen as the eighth in a row and is in relatively good technical condition (it should be noted that the gearbox on this vehicle was damaged during the tests in Chertsey). However, the Jagdpanther is in a much worse condition. For many years it was exhibited in the open air, exposed to all the effects of the weather and especially the salty air off the coast of Dorset, this is especially evident in its interior. One of the rear torsion bars of the Bergepanther is most likely cracked, yet this type is one of the museum's attractive exhibits. There was a 75 mm Panther cannon in the RAC Museum, but it can be said with certainty that it did not come from any of the tanks assembled after the war - its mask was covered by Zimmerite. This exhibit was sold to Germany and used in the reconstruction of another vehicle.
& amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; The rest of the vehicles probably ended up as "hard targets" on the British Army's tank ranges in Germany or directly in Britain, even if found today, they will be unreconstructable wreckage with structure Emmental cheese…
& amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; Unfortunately, not even the first of the Panthers that came to Britain survived - the Panther D, delivered from the Soviet Union in 1943, which would undoubtedly be a rare addition to the exhibits. RAC Museum in Bovington.


& amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; I've been wondering for a long time why the British were so sorry that (unlike the Americans) they didn't get the original crew manuals for the vehicles.
& amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; & amp; nbsp; After a relatively short search, I realized that the reason was typically military - these manuals of basic rules and principles for operation and maintenance were written in the form of comics…


P.S. I will insert the photos by the instinct method - either it will work or it will not work ...


Using an article in the quarterly Wheels + Tracks, resources freely available on the Internet, according to the comments of "more experienced" and from his own stick he processed the stick
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Continuation of fotopřílohy for testing of the Panthers, Jagdpantherů and Bergepanthera in the United Kingdom.

Tests were conducted by the FVDD (Fighting Vehicles Design Department) in the county of Surrey.
Bergepanther or Sturmmörser Tiger (Sturmtiger) has unfortunately not survived.
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Panther u 4 Bn Coldstream Guards
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A CUCKOO TAKING INTO ITS OWN NEST



The use of foreign weapons, especially small arms or cold weapons is not uncommon in the history of wars - in tense moments of combat in trenches, in the moment of failure or damage of own weapon, in a state of emergency the highest or otherwise descriptive and so difficult for a modern European soldier he did his best to obtain any weapon and use it for his own survival on the battlefield.
Moreover, according to the old and still undoubtedly valid saying "Behind the fence, the grass is always greener", the soldier always considers the enemy's weapons a little better and somewhat more effective (they do not suffer under our artillery as we do among the grenade explosions of their heavy artillery) than own… All this did not cease to apply even at the moment when machines and vehicles appeared on the battlefield - initially transport technology (car) and soon also combat (tank, cannon or howitzer transporter). It was the new weapons that were always, in peace and during the war, the subject of a certain invocation on their own side (efforts to strengthen the country's position in peace, reversal or acceleration of operations in the war) and fears on the part of the enemy arising from their ignorance, distorted intelligence about overvalued numbers and overvalued combat properties, fears of a higher effect of new or unknown weapons, self-weakening, etc.


Already during the First World War, one of the tasks given to the front units was to acquire enemy weapons and weapons in a targeted manner, but in many cases the soldiers in the field did so independently, on their own initiative. The period images capture not only the soldiers, with interest viewing the enemy heavy armament, but also document its use against the original user in combat. In such a case, custom identification marks of the largest possible size and number were usually used to minimize the risk of such vehicles being attacked by self-fire - "friendly fire".


Nevertheless, or precisely because World War II was already a war of more or less mechanized armies, the use of enemy technology became more intense… This was typical of the Wehrmacht in the first years of the conflict, when its armament included trophy tanks, vehicles and artillery Czechoslovak, some Polish and French types and after the catastrophe BEF (British Expeditionary Force) at Dunkirk also tanks and other vehicles of British origin. It was no different in the fighting in North Africa and later in Europe, on the side of both the Axis and the Allied armies.
Due to a certain technological and from a certain moment also the numerical predominance of the Allies, we can consider the use of captured or left on the battlefield tanks and self-propelled guns during the last year of the war, after the invasion of Normandy and in the struggle for the liberation of Europe.
So for starters, let's stop theorizing and deal with the facts….


In the first article we discussed the British interest in German PzKpfw Panther tanks and briefly mentioned two specific vehicles that were used on the British side in combat. These include the more media-famous Panther, called CUCKOO ("Cuckoo"), used by 4 Bn Coldstream Guards on the European battlefield, and the much lesser-known (and less photographed) DESERTER, used by members of 145 RAC (8 Bn Duke of Wellington's Regiment) in Italy.

After the failure of Operation Market Garden in September 1944, 6 Guards Tank Bde was set in the struggle for control of the Dutch settlement of Overloon. During these battles, sometime in October 1944, tanker 4 Bn Coldstream Guards was discovered in a barn abandoned PzKpfw Panther, originally included in the Panzerabteilung 2 Panzerbrigade 107. The vehicle was (basically) operational and after the necessary minor repairs actually moved on its own axis to brigade workshops.Here, further repairs and necessary modifications were made to the vehicle using parts of other irreversibly damaged vehicles of the same type, the vehicle was provided with a new coating and provided with the prescribed Allied identification marks…
Due to the fact that it was a real rarity, just another use of this Panther was mentioned several times in the history of the unit and was also the subject of interest of Allied war correspondents and photographers.
Panther was assigned to the headquarters of the unit that acquired it, the headquarters of 4 Bn Coldstream Guards, and was "baptized", as has been said several times, on behalf of CUCKOO. This is quite logical, as all the tanks of the headquarters were marked with "bird's" names. However, the dry humor of British soldiers certainly played a role - the tank could certainly have been named differently, but in this case it was probably the first "Cuckoo" to "lay eggs in its own, (ie) German nest".

The Panther was deployed in the first action during an artillery barrage and shelling of Geijsteren Castle, on the river Meuse (Maas), north of Venlo…, which followed a failed infantry attack against heavily defended German positions. The castle building and German resistance nodes were a relatively small target for brigade (heavy) artillery and so were deployed to combat Churchill tanks battalion headquarters. Although their 6-pound and 75 mm cannons were not so effective against the strong stone walls of the castle, according to the battle report, their fire was very accurate and especially the 95 mm howitzers recorded enough devastating interventions of individual resistances. Panther with its 75 mm cannon conducted absolutely accurate fire on the means of fire in the windows of the castle and was recorded interventions of targets inside the castle through these windows…
Later, the use of the Panther during the "BLACKCOCK" operation in the area south of Venlo in the attack on the German city of Waldenrath was mentioned, when, in addition to firepower and accuracy of the tank's main armament, its maneuverability in rugged terrain was emphasized. As the historical sources of Coldstream Guards state, the conditions on the roads and in the field were very difficult in the vicinity of Waldenrath. Wherever the smooth belts of Churchill and Churchill Crocodile flame tanks slid on icy surfaces and vehicles skidded across the ice into road ditches, the Panther CUCKOO, eight tons heavier, drove smoothly at high speed and fired effectively at targets when necessary. cover rescue of sunken vehicles…
Another area where the 4 Bn Coldstream Guards operated was the Reichswald area. The unit was engaged in combat as part of Operation "VERITABLE" in rugged hilly and densely forested terrain. It was here, as the record of the unit's chronicle recorded, that Panther CUCKOO sadly ended his fight on the side of the Allies. When moving to the starting position for the attack on the German settlement of Kleve, there was a fault in the vehicle's fuel system (the fuel pump stopped and it could not be repaired due to lack of spare parts) and the vehicle was left abandoned. The next fate of the tank could not be traced (as usual).


Let's go back, to the German Panzerbrigade 107, to which CUCKOO originally belonged. This brigade had a very short combat career, fighting virtually only in the Limburg region and in the northern part of the province of Noord Brabant, approximately between Eindhoven, Venlo and Roermond in the southeast of the Netherlands. After a break in the fighting, the remnants of the brigade were withdrawn across the river Meuse (Maas) and became the basis for the newly formed 25 Panzergrenadier Division. Panzerbrigade 107 was originally armed with Panthers G of earlier variants, without strengthening the lower part of the cannon mask and without a raised air intake fan cover on the left on the armor of the engine cover. As period photographs document, these vehicles included the Panther, later captured by the British and named CUCKOO. In most cases, the Panzerbrigade 107 was camouflaged with either a single coat of Dunkelgelb ("European Yellow") or a combination of three colors, most likely Dunkelgelb-Rotbraun-Grün, with a "cloud" division of the camouflage fields.The marking of vehicles with three-digit numbers and crosses on the towers of vehicles is also documented. Unfortunately, I could not find a description of the original appearance of the vehicle, later known as CUCKOO, or its tactical number, and all questions from my foreign colleagues were returned unanswered.


The situation is somewhat better in terms of the appearance of the vehicle after its capture by the tanker 4 Bn Coldstream Guards and during its use in combat. Although it is not possible to determine the exact shade of color that was used for the camouflage of the captured Panther in the brigade workshops before his "commissioning", it is more than certain that it was a uniform camouflage of a single shade of color.
We can practically rule out the possibility that CUCKOO would be left in the original Dunkelgelb camouflage (which would appear significantly lighter in the pictures compared to other battalion headquarters vehicles) or even in a possible three-tone camouflage in Dunkelgelb-Rotbraun-Grün colors. There are no remnants of the original crosses or numbering in the pictures of the vehicle, so we can conclude with great certainty that the vehicle was completely re-camouflaged, according to the British customs at the time, probably in Olive Green, possibly Khaki Drab…
The images further demonstrate the use of freehand (and yet quite regular) white allied stars in a relatively thin circle on either side of the tower centered slightly behind the edge/bend of its side armor. The use of this star designation in a circle can also be considered more than probable in the position of the "Allied (Air) Recognition Sign", ie on the tower ceiling, possibly on the cover of the power unit. I consider the ceiling of the Panther Tower to be the more probable position of this third star, as it was right here for the vast majority of other 4 Bn Coldstream Guards. Quite simply, CUCKOO was not photographed from above and if so, I admit that these images are not available to me.
However, the images available to me (unlike some statements from foreign colleagues) do not confirm the use of other elements of standard marking 4 Bn Coldstream Guards, ie "battalion" number 153, which could be (and allegedly at least at the beginning of Panther's service at the unit) painted white. on the right toolbox at the rear of the vehicle (correctly it should be in a green field with a white line along its lower edge) or the WD registration number (in the form of T 123456) in any of its prescribed positions.
The only other identifiable marking of the vehicle is the name CUCKOO, painted on both sides of the tower along the lower edge of its side armor. It can be seen from the photographs that this inscription is in a slightly different shade than the white stars and it cannot be ruled out that it was indeed different (approximately cream or even yellow) or that the background color was insufficiently dry and struck the surface of the inscriptions….


As I have already mentioned, the choice of the name CUCKOO for the tank was not accidental, because the "bird" names also bore the other armored vehicles of the headquarters of 4 Bn Coldstream Guards. For example, Churchill's battalion commander was named EAGLE ("Eagle"), Churchill's aide was named SEAGULL (Seagull "), M-3 White Scout Car Deputy Battalion Commander was named VULTURE (" Vulture ") and M-3 White Scout Car Commander. the battalion's platoon bore the name OWL ("Little Owl"), another vehicle of this type bore the name ROBIN ("Robin"). The liaison officer's Humber Scout Car was named PIGEON ("Pigeon"), the Humber Intelligence Officer was renamed OWLET ("Owl"), the liaison officer's vehicle was named LINNET, and other Humber Scout Cars were named WREN ("Pigeon"). Wren "), EAGLET (" Eagle ") and GULL (" Seagull ")…
In the camouflage described above (uniform, probably in the shade of Olive Green or Khaki Drab), Panther CUCKOO was planted on November 27, 1944 during an artillery raid on Geijsteren Castle, on the Meuse River.However, during Operation BLACKCOCK, sometime in January 1945, the terrain was covered with heavy snow and the battalion's vehicles were camouflaged either with strips and tarpaulins of white fabric (sheets from "local sources" cannot be excluded) or directly camouflaged with washable white. This was also the case with the Panther CUCKOO, according to the attached pictures, the body and wheels were covered with a basically uniform paint with noticeable brush strokes, on the front of the sides of the tower were applied horizontal wavy lines with irregular gaps shining through the base paint and markings. The stern of the turret was not white camouflaged, as was part of the cannon mask.
During Operation "VERITABLE", ie sometime in early February 1945, Panther CUCKOO was captured again in uniform camouflage with a single shade of probably green, only the "flag" number on the rear of the vehicle has practically disappeared…


So, as the photographs show, he looked like he was left abandoned near the road on the approaches to the German settlement of Kleve.


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Panther in the Hungarian Army
As of 8/1944, Hungarian tank units were to receive a total of 25 Panthers (version is given Pz.Kpfw. In Ausf. D). Of this number, 10 machines were to be intended for Romania, but after the transition of Romania to the Soviet Union, they were sold to the Hungarians. The machines were to be in the state of the 2nd Tank Division. According to some sources, these were supposed to be machines with German crews.


Charles K. Kliment, Dénes Bernád - Hungarian Army 1919 - 1945, year of publication 2007, ISBN: 978-80-86158-50-1
Ivo Pejčoch, Oldřich Pejs - Obrněná technika 6, Střední Evropa 1919-1945 Part I, ARES Publishing House, Prague 2005, ISBN 80-86158-46-2
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Panthers in the Polish Army
An interesting episode of the use of captured Panther tanks is the Warsaw Uprising of 1944. After the approach of the Eastern Front to Warsaw, an uprising broke out on August 1, 1944 at 5:00 p.m. The units that had Panther tanks in the state were concentrated in the western parts of Warsaw. Older information claimed that the captured Panthers were from one of the SS tank divisions, which were located in the city, respectively. in the suburbs of Warsaw. According to new findings, the captured machines belonged to 27. Regiment 19.tank Division. The division was transferred from the Western Front, where its machines Panther Ausf.A left 11. tank division and was newly rearmed with new Panther Ausf.G.
On the morning of August 2, 1944, several Panthers moved through the city, probably along the route of Górczewska-Mlynarska-Smetna-Powazkowska-Okopowa streets. On Okopowa Street near the Jewish cemetery, the column was attacked by insurgent soldiers. They attacked a column of three machines with incendiary bottles and one tank burned down. The tank crew moved to the second Panther. The second machine got further on Mireckiego Street, where it was hit by hand grenades and later by the "Gamon" grenade, which damaged the rear of the tower. The machine slid across the pavement and flew into a wooden house that stood in its way. The crew was captured. The last machine was damaged by hand grenades and after hitting the pole it remained standing on the tram line. His crew left the machine, although it was almost undamaged. The two minimally damaged machines therefore fell into the hands of the insurgents, who decided to repair them and use them in combat. All day 2.8. both machines stood in their places. 3.8. was formed within the battalion "Zoska" armored platoon, whose commander became Lt. Wacek (Waclav Micuta). The insurgents did not use their names, but used nicknames. One of the captured Germans tried to start the first damaged Panther, but found that the machine had a damaged fuel pump. Meanwhile, crews were formed for both tanks.


First crew:
- Commander - Lt. Col. Waclav Micuta (Wacek)
- guide - pchor. Zdislaw Moszczenski (Ryk)
- shooter-radio operator - cpr. Jan Zenka (Walek)
- charger - pchor. Witold Bartnicky (Kadlubek)
- shooter - pchor. Jan Myszowski-Boginsky (Bajan)
- ammunition supply - pchor. Mieczyslaw Kijewski (Jordan)


Second crew:
- Commander - Dca Lt. Eugeniusz Romanski (Rawicz)
- guide - pchor. Jerzy Miskiewicz (Tomek)
- shooter-radio operator - unknown civilian name (Pobóg)
- charger - pchor. Witold Ocepski (Downar)
- shooter - pchor. Jerzy Michalski (Dabrowa)
- ammunition supply - pchor. Zbigniew Ocepski (Kostrzewa)


The crews had 6 members each because the tank commanders also had other command tasks and at the time of their performance wanted to prevent the tanks from having incomplete conditions.


All day 3.8. the crews got acquainted with the technique and tried to make repairs. In the afternoon, Master Jan Luniewski (working in the German car fleet - Kraftfahrpark) arrived, and after replacing the air filter and regulating the ignition, the engine of the first tank could be started without any problems. He later received an award for this. 3.8 or 4.8. the tank moved along Okopowa Street to the Church of St. Augustín at Nowolipky Street, where the cannon tests took place. The aim of the shooting was a German machine gun nest placed in the tower of the church. It was destroyed by two shots.
All the while there was an effort to free the second tank from the wooden house and repair it. Liberation was tried with the help of the first Panther, but without success. The machine was not able to pull it out of the ruins and pull it out with a 3-meter stony embankment. Therefore, the ruins of the house were dismantled and the damaged machine was subsequently rescued.
Inspection of the first tank found that it had minor damage, but after quick repairs, the tank was fully combat-ready. The tank was honored by a lieutenant colonel. Tadeusz Tyczynski's nickname "Poodle". However, the crew also had their own nickname "Magda" for their tank. Therefore, this Panther appears under both names.The second tank, which received the nickname "Felek", was under repair. Information about his combat readiness differs, because at the time of the uprising no records were kept, whether the reports and information came only from the memories of the participants in the uprising. According to some sources, the damage to the tower (tearing out part of the armor in the rear part of the tower) was repaired at night from 4 to 5 August, according to other claims up to 6 or 7 August According to the discrepancy of these claims, it is difficult to monitor the combat activity of tanks during these days.
The first combat operations were the conquest of the concentration camp and the seizure of St. Sophia Hospital and the police school on August 5, 1944. The importance of the tank's assistance in the fight for the concentration camp was also reflected in the extremely low losses on the part of the insurgents (1 dead and 1 wounded). However, the second action, the occupation of the hospital and the police school, was bloodier. The machine "Felek" was to support the attack of the battalion "Miotla", but until the start of the attack did not receive permission to shoot. The commander of the battalion "Miotla" was informed of this, but in the meantime the attack has already begun. However, he crashed very quickly under defensive machine gun fire. In the current situation, Lt. Zygmunt Zbichorski ("Zygmunt") took responsibility for himself and decided to engage the tank and its crew in combat. Following this decision, the insurgents took the initiative on the battlefield and fulfilled their intentions.
At night from 5. to 6.8. machines were being maintained.
Another event was 8.8. support of units on Karolkova Street. On the corner of Karolkow and Mireckiego streets, one of the Panthers (Magda-Pudel) was hit by three shots of a German tank. About which German unit it was and what machine are just guesses. There are several options. Either it was Pz.Kpfw.IV Ausf.H z 3.SS Pz.Div. alebo o Jagdpanzer 38 (t)/ StuG III Ausf.G zo 743.Pz.Jg.Abt. Part of the crew was injured, the machine only slightly damaged and repaired. 9.8. the tanks probably underwent repairs and 10.8. continued combat operations. The crew of "Magda" destroyed Sd.Kfz.263 (8-rad) and a self-propelled gun. In the afternoon, the machine gun nest in the tower of the church of St. Karol Boromeusz. On that day, due to the critical situation of the insurgents, who were threatened with cutting off troops in the Old Town, it was decided that due to major problems with the Panthera electric batteries ("Felek"), it would be destroyed. The ammunition was transferred to "Magda", which the following day, i.e. 11.8. provides support in the insurgents' counterattack on Stawki. "Magda ″ is damaged and left to its own devices.


One captured Panther is known from a parade of the Polish 1st Infantry Division "Tadeusz Kościuszko" in Germany on May 22, 1945. After the war, some Panthers were to be used for training.


Janusz Ledwoch - PzKpfw V Sd Kfz 171 "Panther" Czesc I, Militaria Publishing House, Warsaw 1998, ISBN 83-7219-010-0
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Panther in the Romanian Army
In the summer of 1944, 10 Panthers were to be delivered to Romania. Just before the delivery of the machines, Romania turned against the former ally and the delivery of the machines did not take place. Allegedly, these machines were to be strengthened by Hungarian troops.
After the end of the fighting in Europe, the Romanian army was cut down by the Soviets only to infantry units, until the spring of 1946, Romanian troops received in addition to German medium tanks Pz.Kpfw. IV from Soviet warehouses and 13 pcs of Panthers versions D, Ai G. They remained in the armament of the Romanian army (mechanized/armored division "Tudor Vladimirescu-Debrecen" and "Horia, Cloşca şi Crişan") to until 1954, when they were replaced by Soviet tank technology.

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Tanková divízia "Tudor Vladimirescu-Debrecen", prehliadka 1.5.1948 v Bukurešti
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Panther vo švédskej armáde
Jeden tank Panther Ausf. A (Fgst.Nr. 210767) bol na študijné účely dodaný švédskej armáde z Francúzska. Tá o tento tank prejavila záujem v polovici roka 1946, jeho cesta do Švédska sa však natiahla a dodaný bol až v polovici roka 1947.
Švédska armáda podrobila tank dôkladným testom. Je mi známe, že bol odoslaný k švédskej jednotke P 4 v Skövde. Po ukončení testovania sa následne nachádzal v technickej zbierke švédskej armády. V roku 1960 sa tento tank dostal do západonemeckej Panzertruppenschule I v Munsteri, kde sa v tamojšom múzeu nachádza do dnešných dní.


M.P. Robinson, Thomas Seignon, Henry Morshead - Foreign Panthers, The Panzers V in British, Soviet, Frence and other service 1943-58, New Vanguard 313, Osprey Publishing Ltd., rok vydania 2022, ISBN: PB 9781472831811
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Well, this has a spicy touch… ( fig. Panther.jpg)
1. Before I realized what the "U" eye was actually attached to the ax of the body in front, I considered it a T-54…
2. Yeah, it's a Panther
3. And it's especially spicy because I put the photo in the subject of the K-61 or the camouflage disguises… me…: milit:


However, I dare to be a little skeptical of Bran's claim (but I fully understand it) that the vehicle is caught in training. that it is only there as a “revitalization of the area” of the training area přes despite the fact that someone is sitting on it.


We thus "threw" the wrecks of several T-34, SU-100, after the (ordinary crew) VVP !!! Mig-19 a !!! Mi-4, BTR-50 (origos from the USSR), Tatra 128 and !!! BRDM-1, not to mention "SKOTech", because they were still in service… And also Leopard-1 (yes, I do not do…, a very faithful metal model with all the typical features of a vehicle of that type).
Both (Martin and Braňo) know very well what photos from the training I had in mind. : evilbat:


I'm a program skeptic and that's why I can only be pleasantly surprised, as in this case.
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Historie a plastikové modelářství (HPM), 2007, ročník XVII, číslo 11, článek Mgr. Martina DUBÁNKA a Ing. Jana LAKOSILA "Nástin vývoje čs.protitankových zátarasů po roce 1945" obsahuje na straně 41 vpravo dole pěkný snímek československého BergePantheru při nájezdové zkoušce na zátaras složený z B jehlanů...


Snímek je datován rokem 1951, vozidlo je (s nejvyšší pravděpodobností) kamuflováno tradiční "khaki" zelenou a nemá žádný viditelný marking nebo číselné označení...


Možná mne klamou oči, ale řekl bych, že střílna (dolního) kulometu byla zaslepena.
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Je tedy někdo schopen dohledat a/nebo definitivně potvrdit, u kterého útvaru/kterých útvarů či svazku byly "bojové" (ale i vyprošťovací) Panthery zařazeny a jaký tedy na nich probíhal výcvik a kde???
Podle předchozího příspěvku kolegy Shimmanskyho (príspevok na žiadosť Schimmanského zmazaný * edit - Braňo) by (ten výcvik) mohl být dost intenzivní, když ty tanky tak rychle "odcházely"...
Až někdo ukáže fotky, tak nezaslouží pochvalu, ale nakopat do...


Až se jednou (snad se toho dočkám a budu ještě při síle) objeví fotky našich Pantherů při výcviku, údržbě apod., tak, jako se po letech objevují jako králíci z klobouku fotky československých Cromwellů, osobně půjdu a prisámbohu tomu kouzelníkovi "nakopu...".
Jestli to někdo suší, aby na tom jednou vydělal, tak to není nic jiného než sketa.
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Pokud vím jeden Jagdpanther stojí v Imperial War Museum v Londýně (je rozřezaný aby do něj bylo vidět)
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Jestli je bez Zimmeritu (žádné vozidlo z dělovky v Laatzenu nebylo "napastované") a na předním pancíři tabulka, o níž hovoří článek, pak můžeme konstatovat, že jde o jeden z těch 12 Jagdpantherů, které byly spolu s Panthery smontovány "Hadlowovým mezinárodním týmem" v Laatzenu...
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Tak ne, ne, ne - v hale IWM v Londýně stojí Jagdpanther velitelský, s Zimmeritem (jemné čtverečky), jde o starší variantu (všechna vozidla z Laatzenu byla s korbou G - rovná hrana nad pásy...).
Podle mně dostupných údajů bylo vozidlo těžce poškozeno v září 44 v boji palbou Cromwellu poručíka W.H. Griffithse 2nd Armoured Reconnaissance Bn Welsh Guards přímo v nebo v těsné blízkosti Hechtel, Belgie...
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Francouzi z mašin které získali postavili po válce prapor, ale pokud vím neměli je dlouho, zřejmě problém s ND, postupně byly ve škole a pak vyřazeny. Sověti je zas tak moc nepoužívali, Reálně doloženo je užití 3-4 mašin v oblasti Varšavy (předměstí Praga) kde na nich jezdila jedna četa, v době kdy měli šanci získat Panthery už nebyla taková nouze a kořistní stroje se masově neužívali (to je záležitost spíš do roku 1942), ono i dřív je to spíš jednotlivé mašiny, zde šlo údajně o nové mašiny ukořistěné a použité, ani tady není jasné jak dlouho je měli (přecvičení asi nebylo a tak představa kvalitní stroj = lepší výsledky je spíš zbožné přání, Posádky techniku neznaly, popisy v cizí řeči asi taky nepřidaly moudra takže to bude spíš vyjímka. Myslím že krom francouzů nikdo Panthery ve větší míře nevyužil, ve francii se pro ně dělaly komponenty (to možná přispělo) Ono po válce nebylo moc důvodů ho zavádět, spojenecké techniky bylo (a levně) dostatek takže proč se trápit s něčím na co nejsou (a nebudou) ND, i když je to možná lepší než Sherman nebo T-34. Navíc možná působila i váha stroje na kterou nebyly tehdejší mosty stavěny.
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Ta horní fotka je právě zmiňovaná četa z předměstí Praga. Vypadá dost "propagačně" ale údajně byla nasazena bojově (polské Militarie to aspoň tvrdí a dávají i kamufláž v jednolité žluti).
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To bitaxe: Myslím, že Sověti měli o Panthera dost velký zájem a používali ho dost rádi..., problém nevycvičenosti osádek bych neviděl jako neřešitelný - existovala mutace příručky pro osádky Panthera v ruštině, nevím v jakém, ale vyšla v asi dost velkém nákladu, když se dnes vyskytuje častěji než ta původní německá...
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No já zase uvažuji jinak, na němeskou techniku v sovětských rukou je celkem dost fotek, na Panthery jich (kupodivu) moc není přesto že se s blížícím koncem války fotilo (a filmovalo) čím dál víc, dokonce ani v kolonách po válce jich moc nenajdeš. Příručky byly vydány na skoro všechnu německou techniku, možná že je jich tolik právě proto že je nikdo nedostal (ty německé ano Smile ) Existovala dokonce i na Pz 38 a to jich prý rusové použili jen asi deset (fotky jsou známé. Ale třeba jich měli použito hodně a jen se o tom neví, fakt je že jediná jednotka je ona četa 3 - 4 strojů (mluví se o 4 ale na fotkách jsou jen 3) z Pragy (fotek je víc jedna z nich je ta Branova.
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An interesting panther G which was pulled out in Saumur in June 2007.
I think it is a machine used after the war by the French, but I cannot estimate the authenticity of camouflage, although its wear and tear would correspond to period camouflage.
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The machine was captured by the French 2nd Armored Division on September 13, 1944 and was in use by the FFI (see marking). The machine was exhibited until 1975 at the Army Museum Les Invalides in Paris. After subsequent reconstruction, it was sent to Saumur.
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