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Citace - Ori Main :
Nedávno mě v bedně zaujala reportáž o L.Nižňanském, který v rámci Abwehrgruppe 218 - Edelweiss z Brandenburg Div. bojoval na slovensku proti partyzánům a při té příležitosti se zúčastnil několika akcí proti civilům.Zajímalo by mě, jestli velitel této skupiny - maj.Erwin Thun-Hohenstein obdržel Odznak za protipartyzánskou válku.Nemáte někdo jeho fotku?Z informací, které jsou na slovenských stránkách jsem toho moc nepochytil.Víte něco víc o činnosti této skupiny?Je možné, aby Edelweiss byla jakýmsi Partisanjäger kommandem, o kterém je zmínka v Ďábelské gardě?Za poskytnuté informace budu velmi vděčný.Dík.
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Citace - Peto :
Počuj ale veď ja s tebou súhlasím, že najvyšším velením II. oddelenia Abwehrru - teda nadriadeného orgánu Abwehrgruppe 218 bolo RSHA. A čítal som aj tú knihu - "Me velitelské operace". RSHA prevzalo Abwehr, ale ten si ponechal svoju organizačnú štruktúru. Len ti chcem povedať, že na stupni velenia jednotka Edelweiss mala ponechané hodnosti a štruktúru Wehrmachtu a to nielen pri Slovákoch, ale aj pri nemeckých vojakoch. Inak neviem odkiaľ máš počet 300 - 600 mužov? Počet vojakov Edelweissu bol cca. 280 - 300. Po januári 1945 o 70 menej. Národnostne to boli hlavne Slováci :cca 150, Ukrajinci cca. 50(niekoľko Poliakov z ukrajinských oblastí), cca. 50 káukáské národy- boli to moslimovia takže predpokladám niečo na smer Čečenci, Dagestanci, Tatarstanci ai. a nakoniec cca. 30 Nemcov- boli medzi nimi aj tzv. Volksdeutsche(pokiaľ viem tak skoro nikto nebol zo Slovenska, skôr to bolo východné prusko a oblasť Poľska).Bol tam aj jeden Čech, bývalý partizán - Oldrich Vystavel. Inak slovenská časť sa stala súčasťou jednotky v decembri 1944, predtým bola iba pridružená asi 3 týždne.
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Citace - Peto :
O.K. Tak pokiaľ boli všetci v SS, tak mi potom vysvetli prečo bol Thun stále major. A prečo sa vo všetkých písomnostiach uvádzajú armádne hodnosti. O tej prísahe viem. No predpokladám, že hodnosti im ostali rovnaké aj keď formálne spadali pod SS a teraz myslím aj nemcov. Boli to bývalí vojaci Wermachtu, tak im hodnosti nechali. Myslím nato, že nemôžeš prinútiť ľudí vstúpiť do SS len preto, že sa zmenila organizácia tajnej služby. Inak skôr predpokladám, že Abwehr si ponechal svoju štruktúru ako predtým, len pod velením RSHA. Inak prosím ťa napíš mi zdroj na tie uniformy. Ja pokiaľ viem tak špeciálny oddiel SPS na dobu výcviku sa stal jednotkou Domobrany a bol vystrojený a vyzbrojený z jej zásob. Teda uniformami Domobrany (Šufliarsky Akcia Edelweiss). Aj keď neskôr k ním pribudli nemecké doplnky ako prevlečníky a tak.
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Citace - peterwittgruber :
opravujem počet odvedených v uvedenom období v mojom článku. Nie 14 ale 141. A to som našiel v dokumentácii okresného archívu v Pezinku a nie vojenského archívu v Trnave. Jedná sa o odvedencom z bývalého okresu Modra .Okrem toho mam k dispozícii dokument MNO, čo je v podstate hlásenie o počte dobrovoľne narukovanýhc do Waffen-SS v počte 51 mužov a sú medzi nimi aj slovenské mená. Podľa informácií pamätníkov slúžili v regulérnych jednotkách SS ako Wiking a Das Reich. Žiaľ, zatiaľ to nemám kde overiť. Čo sa týka protipartizánskej skupiny Jozef tak bola údajne zložená prevažne zo zajatých partizánov. Okrem Slovenska sa dopustila zverstiev na civiloch aj na Morave (časopis Prísne tajné, konkrétne číslo, prípadne citáciu dodám ak bude záujem). Add. granátnický pluk SS Slovensko. Na jednej internetovej burze som našiel v ponuke slovenskú vojenkú prilbu s bielym modrým pásom dokola, dvojkrížom na jednej strane, a na druhej strane označenie SS. V ponuke bolo uvedené, že ide o prilbu Freiwillige SS Legion Slowakei.
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Citace - perun39 :
nasiel som na nete reklamu na taky casopis o waffen-SS, je tam clanok nazvany slovensky ritterkreuztreger Gustav Wendrinsky z 8.SS kaval.division Florian Gayer.
zeby to bol predsa slovak?
bolo by to precitat.
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Citace - von Fenstein :
Sorry Peťo, ale asi si špatně rozuměl příspěvku, protože kolega zmiňoval 4. SS-regiment Der Führer, který patří do 2. SS divize Das Reich.
Není tedy v rámci 4 SS divize Polizei.
Pro BBoris: Hele můžeš napsat nějaké bližší informace o tomhle slovákovi, protože mě to přijde celkem dost zvláštní. Tahle divize byla vyloženě založena z Němců a to, že by se tam už v roce 1940 vyskytoval Slovák (rodný !!) mi přijde hodně zvláštní.
Tím něříkám, že to není možné - hrozně by mě to teda zajímalo, napiš nějaké bližší info !!
Díky !!
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Citace - perun39 :
V literature sa uvadza aj SS-rottenfuhrer Ján Takáč sluziaci v jednotke nasadenej proti britskym parasutistom pri Nijmwegene-Arnheme.
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Citace - perun39 :
ta ciapka je na predaj (www.militaryschop.cz-nejde mi vlozit odkaz)
ja ju neviem zaradit a to som si uz myslel ze sa vyznam.
ja mam par foto z casopisu slovenský rozhlas kde su HG na vycviku v Sinnheime(neviem ci sa to tak pise) rok 1942-tusim, a ak tie foto zachytavaju fakt nasich HG tak cvicili v unif.SS
pri vycviku na slov.pouzivali cvicne platene armadne unif.
este k 218ke Thun chodil v civile.
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Citace - Peto :
Zivotna put Erweina Thuna von Hohenstein sa skoncila 18.1.1946 kdesi v Madarsku, kedy bol ruskymi vojakmi popraveny strelou do tyla. Zaujimavy bol aj jeho odchod. So svojimi spoluväznami sa rozlucil so slovami :"Sagt Stalin, dass er mich am Arsch lecken soll." /Odkazte Stalinovi, ze ma moze bozat v rit/.
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Citace - Peto :
Myslim, ze Thun chodil aj v uniforme aj v civile aj v pomiesany. Okrem toho aj v uniforme Waffen SS a aj Wehrmachtu. Podla vsetkych vypovedi je to tak.
Inak odkial mas ten Ödenburg? Zaujimava info.
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